Posted on Jan 31, 2019
What happens to a counseling if part of it is never filled out?
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I was given a counseling to have my vehicle repaired(taillight) and repaired it, showed that it was functioning, but block 4 of the counseling was never filled out, can this counseling be held against me?
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What raises my eyebrows is why a tail light being out resulted in a counseling statement. It gives rise to wanting to know the back story.
The question about whether it can be used as part of a chapter also raises concerns.
Has the issue of a chapter been raised by someone in your COC or NCOSC?
The question about whether it can be used as part of a chapter also raises concerns.
Has the issue of a chapter been raised by someone in your COC or NCOSC?
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No, I just try to avoid them and now that I have three the barracks lawyers words were going to my head. The counseling was because I failed to keep my vehicle in working order and was pulled over on the way to PT, even though I was just given a warning
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Used against you for what? What is it you think the purpose of a counseling statement is? It's not a traffic ticket.
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I am just wondering if since I now have three negative counselings(over the course of 2 years) if they can be used for UCMJ/seperation actions since they are missing the assessment portion. I know it's not likely, but I like to know what my rights are/other people's experiences
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SPC (Join to see) don't believe the hype. Three sheets of paper does not equal UCMJ. If you're recommended for UCMJ, contrary to barracks lawyers opinion, failing to check a box does not save you.
On the other hand, being told to fix a tail light hardly constitutes a pattern of misconduct. Commanders have latitude to use their common sense.
On the other hand, being told to fix a tail light hardly constitutes a pattern of misconduct. Commanders have latitude to use their common sense.
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It's counselling. LOC's don't follow you from station to station. Your supervisor can place it in your PIF but it goes the minute you PCS.
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Unless you're like one of my own supervisors who calls your previous duty station to ask your last supervisor about any paperwork you received, then writes an MFR to put in your PIF documenting you got it and to "watch out" for this behavior in the future, to which the ADC says, "It's an MFR, can't do anything about it."
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MSgt Michael Smith
From a professional perspective, I think that it was wrong of your previous supervisor to talk openly about a counselling session or issue to your new supervisor. The whole idea of counselling is to handle problems at the lowest level --so that there is no impact to a permanent record. That's why they go away when you PCS. If it was so serious that they needed to pass it on to your next duty station, then it should have been recorded in a performance review or they should have used something other than a counselling session. If you were in a civilian job you'd have a case for harassment there I think.
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