Posted on Oct 25, 2018
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I want to know because this incident happened over a week ago. They are saying because I was on detail it doesn’t matter but I’ve been called into work multiple times behind other things.
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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Usually it should be done as soon as possible. However, there is nothing I could find in ATP 6-22.1 specifically stating when it should happen. Now, depending on the reason for the counseling, it could take a moment to gather all the information that will be put in the counseling form.
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SGT Weldon Jones
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MSG (Join to see) - thank you, you have been very helpful,I called the mayor and the congressman, and they are going to get involved,and our Attorney and long time friend is a retired CSM so now he is checking civilian action if it indeed does happen,we did get 8 letters of recommendation from miltary retire and active that know him and watched him grow up, so fingers crossed. have a blessed day
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SGT Weldon Jones
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MSG (Join to see) - we did review that policy and sent it to him,also he tried several times to use the open door policy, they wont let him go,its really messed up, again thanks
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SGT Weldon Jones - NO ONE CAN STOP the use of the Open Door Policy. Stopping someone from using the Open Door is a violation of policy and regulations. If he has proof...then there is the IG complaint
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SGT Weldon Jones
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MSG (Join to see) The congressman's secretary called my wife (SSG Jones retired)they are still talking,and getting the information as we speak,she is having my wife fill out AR -138 ,and we are sending it too Pvt Jones,to take along with everything else in the morning to his EO,to have a witness to all his transactions and request, so they cannot say pfc Jones never asked,and the American Legion Judge Advocate for the state of Alabama text me and he will be in our area tomorrow and he wants to meet with us.he knows us my wife is first vice commander and area commander and I am 2 vice commander at our post,so it appears everyone that knows us,more impoiknow Pfc Jones is getting involved.fingers are crossed,thanks
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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There is no time limit stated for an event oriented counseling, but the further from the event, the less accurate the information will be regarding the incident.
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I completely agree, SSG Perrotto.
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The time limit is close to the event as possible.

ATP 6-22.1

2-30. Counseling is a subordinate-centered, two-person effort for which the subordinate must have
adequate time to prepare. The person being counseled should know why, where, and when the counseling takes place. Counseling tied to a specific event should happen as closely to the event occurrence as possible. For performance or professional development counseling, subordinates may need a week or more to prepare or review specific documents and resources, including evaluation support forms or counseling records.

I understand what the regulation say about counseling timeline in general, but when it comes to negative counseling, you can't back track weeks or month or 2 later and do counseling for that infraction. If Soldier decide to go to legal, the first thing JAG will do, is show the regulation where it say close
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SSG (Join to see) to the event occurence as possible. If you look at the key words SHOULD HAPPEN, CLOSELY to event, as POSSIBLE, those words alone say there is a timeline in order for that counseling to be valid from a legal standpoint......
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SSG (Join to see) to be realistic. ATP’s are not regulations but rather training pamphlets intended to give guidance but not an order. The ATP does state however that the timeline to council is governed by army and unit policy’s
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According to ATP 6-22.1 2-30, it say close to the event as possible. Mission or events will dictate when the write up will be, but a good NCO will burn midnight oil and put it on paper that same evening or have it ready within 48 hours while the incident is still fresh............ But on the other hand, I've seen where commands wait weeks after incident and try to write counseling. That's a NO-GO, JAG will eat it up and spit it out.............
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