Posted on Aug 31, 2018
If someone lost their promotable status due to non-compliance with AR 600-9, do they it back once in compliance?
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Back story: SM went to the board yesterday but did not get his (P) status back. 1SG wants to initiate a flag for that SM. SM wants to use the open door policy to speak with BN CSM. But 1SG gave that soldier some verbal chewing. SM was not allowed to use the open door policy to speak with BN CSM. SM SRB is reflecting promotion points, and PPW says soldier eligible for promotion. I’m confused, if SM is already reintegrated back, why does SM have re appear before a promotion board again? Is that a policy coming from HRC? I tried getting the PRLI questions and answer but HRC is down right now.
I did look AR 600-8-19 and is still currently searching for more information regarding this situation. SM is not my soldier, but asked me about this, as a NCO I feel that I owe that soldier clear and precise answer.
I did look AR 600-8-19 and is still currently searching for more information regarding this situation. SM is not my soldier, but asked me about this, as a NCO I feel that I owe that soldier clear and precise answer.
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This is a good question! And a really good challenge for a young CPL like yourself.
First, the answer isn't found in the AR because it has not been updated yet - I believe. The answer is found in the ALARACT message which can be found on the enlisted promotions page of HRC. There is also a second document, released in April 2018 comma that goes into further detail explaining the alaract message.
I am assuming that the service member is on the mli because he has promotion points
The service member cannot be flagged for failing the board. There is no flag for failing a board. If the service member is in the mli category then the commander must bar him if he does not want the service member to be promoted.
As the policy is written, the service member does not have to appear before the board once he is in the mli. However, the service member will remain with a bar against him until he is recommended for promotion. In most units, that will involve appearing before a board. If the unit fails to Bar the soldier then the soldier will be promotable
First, the answer isn't found in the AR because it has not been updated yet - I believe. The answer is found in the ALARACT message which can be found on the enlisted promotions page of HRC. There is also a second document, released in April 2018 comma that goes into further detail explaining the alaract message.
I am assuming that the service member is on the mli because he has promotion points
The service member cannot be flagged for failing the board. There is no flag for failing a board. If the service member is in the mli category then the commander must bar him if he does not want the service member to be promoted.
As the policy is written, the service member does not have to appear before the board once he is in the mli. However, the service member will remain with a bar against him until he is recommended for promotion. In most units, that will involve appearing before a board. If the unit fails to Bar the soldier then the soldier will be promotable
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Thank you for responding SFC. I will look at the ALARACT message once HRC is back up. From my current knowledge, my Company CMD did not mention any Bar for this Soldier.
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It will be easier to look in the Word document published in April 2018. It's 15 pages long, but goes more in depth to explain what the ALARACT says
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
Thank you very much SFC, I was able read the whole ALARACT this morning. Also the question and answer for PRLI. It was very helpful. I can only recommend that SM to read himself and if SM have any question to get with COC.
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Personally, I'd be asking that 1SG if he was SURE he wanted to stop someone from using a policy that a superior has clearly stated is available to anyone. As an aside issue to your question, I mean.
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An honest answer is due. Check the ALARACT messages as they are the updates. The 1SG is well within his authority to tell you to 'Hold' (you said it was yesterday) until his unit completes the paperwork and handles the counseling. Flags should be initiated after recommendations, with input from the NCOs.
That being said - if he's not your soldier then you only have his side of the story about being denied, unless you were there. If I were his NCO at any level between him and the 1SG, I would be concerned at his bypass of the chain of command.
First is that there may be reasons why the CSM was not available (or mayhap he was on the board) and that’s not included in your explanation.
Second is chain of command must function. Any non-critical-to-unit-mission-related-actions bypass of his chain of command hampers future effectiveness of that chain of command.
Sometimes it’s best to teach SMs how-to check themselves. I think that before I went to the 1SG or the CSM, I would have given a nod to my NCOs and Officers of my platoon first. If there have been any circumstances around the why of it that the soldier doesn’t know - then they are going to be the ones to handle it.
When I was in-service, we joked that there were priorities to everything and they were all numbered, “1”.
If I were his NCO at any level between him and the 1SG, I would've been concerned at his bypass of my chain of command. I could only handle those things I was told about OR maybe I just haven't had time to execute with my other priority 1s.
Good luck and kudos for helping the soldier.
That being said - if he's not your soldier then you only have his side of the story about being denied, unless you were there. If I were his NCO at any level between him and the 1SG, I would be concerned at his bypass of the chain of command.
First is that there may be reasons why the CSM was not available (or mayhap he was on the board) and that’s not included in your explanation.
Second is chain of command must function. Any non-critical-to-unit-mission-related-actions bypass of his chain of command hampers future effectiveness of that chain of command.
Sometimes it’s best to teach SMs how-to check themselves. I think that before I went to the 1SG or the CSM, I would have given a nod to my NCOs and Officers of my platoon first. If there have been any circumstances around the why of it that the soldier doesn’t know - then they are going to be the ones to handle it.
When I was in-service, we joked that there were priorities to everything and they were all numbered, “1”.
If I were his NCO at any level between him and the 1SG, I would've been concerned at his bypass of my chain of command. I could only handle those things I was told about OR maybe I just haven't had time to execute with my other priority 1s.
Good luck and kudos for helping the soldier.
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
Thank you very much for responding SFC. I found all the answer I need. Only thing I can do now is refer SM to the material I found and have SM read the material. SM did try to get pass 1SG and straight to BN CSM, hence the chewing SM received from 1SG. I told SM I will find the answer, but didn't think SM would be hasty and call me out in front of 1SG and use me to protect himself. This situation is a learning point for me. I appreciate the feedback.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
SGT(P) (Join to see) - Smilyface - we all have our learning moments. I had one very like yours when I was a Corporal. As I went up in grade I remembered not to shoot my Corporals when it happened to them. I'm sure you will do well.
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