Posted on Dec 28, 2014
Veterans Fighting ISIS; What do you think of it, and do you consider it?
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What's your take on American military veterans who've been flying over seas on their own to join up with local militia groups to fight ISIS? Seems the most popular groups to hook up with are the PUK Kurds in Northern Iraq and the YPG in Syria, who's actively recruiting foreign fighters through their "Lions of Rojava". A North American group, calling itself the 1st North American Expeditionary Force has formed itself to provide advice and try and organize contacts for fighters who wish to head overseas to join the conflict.
There's a couple things to consider here.
1. The actual act of going to fight ISIS/ISIL/Those goat fuckers with the Kurds in the first place.
2. The motivation that is causing a significant number of vets to want to go in the first place, including myself. I think it's symptomatic of integration and transition problems post-military in the general sense but obviously can't comment outside myself.
3. Have you thought about "redeploying" yourself? Why?
There's a couple things to consider here.
1. The actual act of going to fight ISIS/ISIL/Those goat fuckers with the Kurds in the first place.
2. The motivation that is causing a significant number of vets to want to go in the first place, including myself. I think it's symptomatic of integration and transition problems post-military in the general sense but obviously can't comment outside myself.
3. Have you thought about "redeploying" yourself? Why?
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I've got a family at home, and time on a contract with Uncle Sam yet, but it does sound quite appealing. If you ain't tied down, and you wanna do it...
It's not quite as high profile, but Westerners have gone to Burma to fight on the side of the Karen National Liberation Army for decades.
After Vietnam, there were a number of vets who went to Rhodesia to fight against the rebellion there.
There is definitely precedent for the current situation, and it isn't surprising to me to see interest in fighting in a conflict that our government walked away from, especially for those who already had committed a part of their lives fighting there.
Hope I don't ruffle any feathers too much with this post.
It's not quite as high profile, but Westerners have gone to Burma to fight on the side of the Karen National Liberation Army for decades.
After Vietnam, there were a number of vets who went to Rhodesia to fight against the rebellion there.
There is definitely precedent for the current situation, and it isn't surprising to me to see interest in fighting in a conflict that our government walked away from, especially for those who already had committed a part of their lives fighting there.
Hope I don't ruffle any feathers too much with this post.
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SSgt (Join to see). I have good friends flying helicopter gunships in SubSaharan Africa . . . Vietnam Veterans. They love it. But, I wouldn't recommend it for anyone with a family at home. Please note I did not say it was legal or a good idea. Warmest Regards, Sandy
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LCpl (Join to see). Depending on circumstances . . . most likely illegal under our laws . . . and exceedingly risky in part because you are not protected by status of forces agreement . . . you could easily be charged with conspiracy to murder for merely advising . . . murder for killing terrorists . . . and worse for killing people you can't prove are terrorists. Frankly, if you are trained and keen to do this . . . join a recognized government military, intelligence organization, or private military force. Just be aware that you may not have adequate access and/or priority for government military air, artillery, transport, dustoff, medical, or logistics support. Indeed, seeking aid, assistance, and/or shelter from government military forces may be at the option of the local military commander constrained by high level government political and/or diplomatic concerns. Why not call your favorite three letter agency to see about programs that may appeal to you? Warmest Regards, Sandy
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For me if I was going to go I'd be looking into the PUK Peshmerga in Northern Iraq, noted U.S. allies and recipients of plenty of U.S. air support (plenty being relative here) as opposed to say the YPG which, while popular has ties to what are considered terrorist groups in some quarters. Legally speaking so long as you don't refute your citizenship, fight for a terrorist group, or fight against the United States you should theoretically be alright.
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LCpl (Join to see). When I said three letter agency . . . I meant USDOS/INR, NSA, DIA, CIA, and the like . . . not the PUK or YPG. When I said PMF . . . I meant the PMFs listed under Companies in my LinkedIn profile. You need coordination for any good airstrike / close air support . . . which you will not be able to get without coming up on net with the correct frequencies, sequences, encryption keys, and authentication. Never put your family, life, and/or future in the hands of anyone who says theoretically . . . the devil is in the details.
Warmest Regards, Sandy ( http://www.linkedin.com/in/armynurse )
Warmest Regards, Sandy ( http://www.linkedin.com/in/armynurse )
I am thinking about this as an actual option. I have plenty of experience in combat and at home that experience is looked at as a negative thing. Your viewed as an animal, and everythings a reminder of the all mighty dollar. Go work for $9 part time because noone knows who i really am, what i really did/do. Noone has been touched by my sacrifice.i've had ratfaced teens tell me i didnt protect their freedoms fighting in iraq...ungrateful fucks... But here are people that are getting slaughter by isis (the same people we fucking paided off) and i feel responsible. We let them go. This is my fight and im here with these people that know nothing of sacrifice or sufferage. And hell...THEY WANT my experience! They VALUE IT! They know im more valuable in a fight then ratfaced teen. As far as legal action, if i were to do this its purely out of my sense of diry. The fight lives on. If you want to throw me in gitmo for wanted to avenge my brothers who died for(lose use of 'for') these fools who are now just as or more fucked up then the people we protected THEM from? Then when the wars over, if im still in one piece, you can take your pound of flesh. Because everyone has....and really the only other reason to do it this way, is to fight without fucking politics. To defend the weak while congress gets its shit together. Of course theres riskes these people are leaving the safty net of being an american IN AMERICA! This...is just as true a sacrifice(dare i say more?) then joining the military(seeing as this is ANOTHER time they put others before themselves) anyhow...yeah
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