Posted on Jan 14, 2014
SPC Robert Patrick
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<p>I have been in the Army for 4 and a half years.&nbsp; In those 4 and a half years I have noticed that married soldiers seem(and&nbsp;I put the emphasis on seem) to be listened too more than the&nbsp;single soldiers.&nbsp; There are the unit FRG programs and garrison level ones as well.&nbsp; I have&nbsp;been an advocate participant in B.O.S.S.(Better Opportunities for Single Soldiers) in those 4 years.&nbsp; It has always seemed to me&nbsp;that a married soldier was more likely to get a marriage retreat approved than a single soldier.&nbsp; Even&nbsp;as former VP of the Fort Detrick BOSS Committee and Unit representative it seems&nbsp;like if an event is geared towards families then&nbsp;Units push it and encourage married soldiers to attend but if it&nbsp;is an event for single soldiers there does not&nbsp;seem to be much emphasis put on it.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have had Soldiers be told they couldn't do certain events that may happen during the duty day but there are marriage retreats people go on and they take up duty days as well.&nbsp; <br><br>It seems to me that though&nbsp;the Army took steps to correct starting with the implementation of BOSS&nbsp;in 1989 it still does receive as much support from unit CoCs as family events do.&nbsp; <br><br>Any thoughts?&nbsp; Do you agree or disagree?&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>****I know I messed up the title*****</p>
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In my opinion most military rules were written years ago when most Soldiers lived in the barracks and few were married.  Today Single soldiers do more work for less pay.  My recommendation is to pay every Soldier BAH w/dependents and deduct the fair market value of their housing (I'm thinking the fair market value of a shared room with common bathroom wouldn't be very much).  This move alone would put more single NCOs in the barracks because it would mean more cash in their pocket.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
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I disagree wholeheartedly with the pay everyone BAH w/dependents idea, it's bad enough when as a married Soldier living on post that I as a SFC (since retired) payed more money for the same housing as the SPC/SGT/SSG that lived next door to me. Yes I know the answer, then move off-post, but how can it be justified to pay a Soldier the same amount for the barracks, where they may "pocket cash" when their peer in on-post housing "loses" the entirety of there BAH? Just my opinion on that whole proposal.
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I'm almost 30 and i live in the barracks. Luckily bein an NCO, I don't have to worry about a random roommate ( I get my own room ). I despise being in the barracks because I'm surrounded by young soldiers, including one of my soldiers. I do believe the things we deal with are unfair but at the same time some of the people that live in the barracks aren't the brightest.
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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SGT Jarret.   I think money becomes the issue in this and if certain NCOICs did not make it their personal playground.   Some 1st Sgt get this and I think what they do is good with the younger troop.   Lord knows many need instruction,  structure and discipline.    So those off-base dwellers should have to be part of GI parties in the dorm.  Make them appreciate not being treated as 'animals' as one has called them.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
SSG (ret) William Martin
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I got out of the Army in 2004 because I got tired of nonsense and other BS in the barracks. I told my 1SG I did not want
to be bothered about the barracks when I was not at work. There is a CQ and it is his or her job to take "charge of quarters" as their resposibility on their shift.
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SSG Conex
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Shift workers get the shaft in most ways.  The problem with shift workers is that leaders do not understand how to prioritize the many different events that we undergo during a typical month.  How can leaders schedule APFTs, Weapon Qual ranges, mandatory training, UAs, and many more so it is fair to everyone involved.  It is easy for 1SG to say lets have Suicide Prevention training on this Wednesday at 1000.  1SG fails to realize that Wednesday is Shift Worker B's Saturday.  Shift Worker B comes in on "Saturday" because it is required becuase he has to complete training.

 

If leaders took the time to say would I want to come in on Saturday to complete training?  The answer would be a no, and I know the arguement is we are Soldiers 24/7 (check, got ya) but why does that arguement only come up when it makes a Soldiers life difficult? 

 

A better solution is to offer the training around the Soldiers shifts, that way it only causes pain to one person (the trainer).  This also keeps morale in the unit under control.

 

Although the marriage retreats seem like the married folks are getting a pass to get out of work but these are usually conducted over an entire weekend.  I have also seen Single Soldier retreats but for some reason they were not successful.  Why were they not successful?  Because Single Soldiers do not like giving up their weekends.  If a program is not being used then it will be taken away.  It is not discrimination to the single Soldiers, it is more why offer (fork over money) for 1 or 2 Soldiers that will attend as opposed to offering a marriage retreat where 5 or 6 Sodliers will attend with their spouse. 

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I worked all three shifts each week and it is especially annoying where unit commanders think they need to do this. Our weather commander (at my asking) stopped it for weather people and did it when they wanted to and saved the poor shifting working dormer.
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SPC Bobchin,


This is all my personal opinion, but, lets look at the average across the Army. A majority of single Soldiers are 18-21 years...barely old enough to drink. Soldiers of a young age or maturity level tend to be more unruly. Soldiers are treated like children because most of the time, they act as so. I don't have enough hands to count the number of times I've walked through the barracks to see trash in the hall, laundry rooms in disarray, Soldiers rooms are messy, have excuses as to why their room is not to standard, etc., and this is all during the work week, lets not even talk about the weekend! Granted, there ARE Soldiers who NEED housing inspections because some of these Soldiers who are married behave as if they live in the barracks, but, I believe that if you decide to make the decision to get married, that's a "grown up" decision..therefore, the Army gives you "grown up" privileges. Not saying that single Soldiers aren't grown, but Im simply speaking on the decision to get married. I believe that the inequality exists because being single and being married is not equal. I hope this gives you some sort of guidance! Good post!

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That's the primary reason a lot of soldiers get contract marriages. So they don't have to deal with the stupidity of living in the barracks

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