Posted on May 20, 2018
What is the difference in source handling between 35M and 35L?
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I know that 35M is humint and deals with interrogations and source handling , but I also read that 35L does some aspects of source handling as well. My question is, what is the difference in their source handling training and real world applications?
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35M: Human Intelligence Collector
35L: Counterintelligence (CI) Agent
35M: Human Intelligence Collector 35L: Counterintelligence (CI) Agent
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My question is this the real location to ask the question? You are a Marine, you should go ask an MOS 0211. There are differences between CI in Army and Marine....I was in both. If you are on an Army post you can contact the 902d office. Remember your OPSEC classes.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Yes. I was in the marine Corp infantry from 2006-2010 and the reserves from 2011-2013, then I joined the guard in 2014 and I just went on active duty with the army this past October.
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
SSG(P) (Join to see) - Now I understand. I think there are not many of us who are in more than one branch of service. RP does not allow it, nor Civil Service Rank.
LTs like to be called CPT, CPLs like to be called CPT. But, the "Total Force" is not recognized.
LTs like to be called CPT, CPLs like to be called CPT. But, the "Total Force" is not recognized.
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The tradecraft involved is identical, however, the purpose is different for both (which is why we used to have the same source ops course and why CI agents have often been misused to conduct HUMINT Military Source Operations/MSO). Nowadays in the Army, there is a clear delineation between CI Source Ops (of which MCC or Military CI Collection is the most common you may be aware of), and MSO, with both having there own collection requirements. That is about all I will say on here as the more we talk about it, the more we risk getting into classified realms. That being said, as a 35F, I would suggest you get on SIPR and conduct this research more there. In case you were not aware, this is not how the Marine Corps conducts CI/HUMINT, as their 0211 MOS combines the two fields, meaning they conduct Source Operations for both purposes, while the majority of their CI investigations (and CI investigative jurisdiction) resides with NCIS.
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Well remember that CI does more than just source operations. We also have an investigative mission (HUMINT in the Army have no investigative authority). Now that our classified functions and unclassified functions (which includes investigations) are separated in two different volumes, you can at learn some of the 35L job using only your CAC without the need to get on SIPR. Those two new volumes are: ATP 2-22.2-1 (available on Army Pubs online), and ATP 2-22.2-2 (available on the SIPR IKN website).
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Yes chief, I’m aware of the investigative hat. I’m just trying to gather as much details as I can. I’ve read just about everything I could find on counterintelligence on the CAC side. Just couldn’t find much about JCOE schools or training and was unclear on how source handling worked for counter intelligence. Thank you again chief.
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CI doesn't typically attend many courses at HT-JCOE these days. Beyond CISAC, our advanced source operations courses are primarily taught at the Joint CI Training Academy (JCITA) at Quantico which is also attended by OSI, NCIS, and Marine Corps CI/HUMINT personnel. They include the Advanced CI Collection Course (ACICC), and the Advanced Foreign CI Curriculum (Ops, Investigations, and Surveillance).
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Without getting into classified or OPSEC stuff, quite simply the difference is intent. Techniques are relatively similar, but the focus for the two is different.
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