Posted on Dec 6, 2014
Should non-lethal weapons be added to our list of weapons?
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So, this included bean bag bullets, rubber bullets, tazer, stun gun, cow prod, brass knuckles, collapsible baton, night-stick, and the list goes on...these weapons can maim and in rare cases kill, but it is not the intent of the weapon. It seems appropriate that that's be considered...especially National Guardsman, and Coast Guard as they primarily have a state or US mission. If you have used some of these, perhaps you can provide some insight on their effectiveness and ease of carry?
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Having carried and used a night stick while assigned as Shore Patrol, I know how they work and would recommend doing away with them for Shore Patrol. Either the people you confront are going to go along quietly and comply with your requests OR you are not adequately armed for subduing belligerent drunks and out of control personnel.
I have see Army MPs armed to the teeth in comparison, just like civilian police with pistols, rifles, and shotguns as well as night sticks. Once again, either you respect their authority OR they are not going to do the job without lethal force. Yes, a pair of handcuffs or equivalent would be nice to have, but night sticks are, IMHO, not really needed and often misused.
Intelligent approaches to situations is often more reasonable and effective. I Navy CPO and Officer SP do not carry anything except respect and usually calm fights before they start or stop them just with presence; USUALLY.
I have see Army MPs armed to the teeth in comparison, just like civilian police with pistols, rifles, and shotguns as well as night sticks. Once again, either you respect their authority OR they are not going to do the job without lethal force. Yes, a pair of handcuffs or equivalent would be nice to have, but night sticks are, IMHO, not really needed and often misused.
Intelligent approaches to situations is often more reasonable and effective. I Navy CPO and Officer SP do not carry anything except respect and usually calm fights before they start or stop them just with presence; USUALLY.
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PO1 Walter Duncan
I just don't see the need as far as a hand carried weapon. But, as a weapon of dispersal in other situations based upon Humvees, ships, etc. that have long range and are capable of disbursing large crowds or incapacitating the same, like at an Embassy or other riot situations.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
Skirmishers - yes, but as Shore Patrol, not really. BTW when I was at Sub Base New London, I was assigned to Base Security in case of rioters or protestors. We had the full gear including face shields and batons (LONG night sticks). We were backed up by a Marine Security Detachment with M-16s and 50 Cal Machine Guns. We always hoped that they would shoot high and give us time to disengage.
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Marines, soldiers could soon carry 'flash bang' mortars
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/tech/2014/12/06/non-lethal-mortar-delivers-flashbangs-over-one-mile/19910537/
Looks like some are already in the works...although this is next level compared to what you are talking about.
Don't the MPs already use these? (I honestly don't know). I can see the value of NG having these for civil control duties
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/tech/2014/12/06/non-lethal-mortar-delivers-flashbangs-over-one-mile/19910537/
Looks like some are already in the works...although this is next level compared to what you are talking about.
Don't the MPs already use these? (I honestly don't know). I can see the value of NG having these for civil control duties
Marines, soldiers could soon carry 'flash bang' mortars
The Marine Corps is one step closer to adopting a new non-lethal mortar round that can suppress combatants, even those mingling with civilians, at
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
It seems to me that crowd control on any operational environment should always be considered a contingency...and if we going after 'hearts and minds', non-lethal would be appropriate in certain scenarios. Flash-based mortars...and they crazy?
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