Posted on Nov 30, 2014
Have you noticed your morals, ethics and standards changing the longer you stay in the military?
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I'm curious feom those who care to answer....have they became better or gotten worse? If you can give examples...I think personally mine have all improved. I'm a better person for it. I remember going back home after my first deployment and a group of guys I ran with all disappeared. They were all incarcerated for check fraud and drug dealing, makes me wonder how different my life would of been had I enlisted in the 1stCivDiv? What about you?
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SSG(P) (Join to see), I think moral standards and the entire concept of right and wrong are generally sliding downward in our society. What 30 or 40 years ago was a scandal is laughed at today. I think we are in a period of moral decline.
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CW5 (Join to see) Well, mine is in an upswing, all things being equal, maybe some of our high moral values can balance out the moral decline.
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SGT Steven Montgomery
I totally agree SSG(P) (Join to see), mine are on the upswing the older I get as well but the younger generation is where troubles are brewing. Not across the board but quite a lot I think.
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I'm with you on that younger generation...a lot of pieces missing. They are entitled and a lot if it is our fault. Pain is a great teacher. And so many of them have never had any kind of pain, not even discipline. I refer back to a bible verse, "You spare the rod, you spoil the child"...there is some science to that statement.
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SSgt (Join to see) Okay, that works for me...and maybe even you, hell maybe most of us. Haven't you met the guy that was made worse? I know I sure did. I didn't know them before the military...but it sure seemed that way.
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Oh heck yah. Some SSgt when I got to the Parachute Shop for molestation and going to Levenworth.. yeah some people do go bad.
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CW2 Joseph Evans
Some people don't learn... That's the problem, it's always someone else to blame for why "my life went south." "Everything would be fine if that girl I raped didn't tell." Yeah, we got losers of all types.
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The military is a reflection of society and as such, since the morals, ethics and standards in our society have deteriorated over time, so has our military.
Although the military has typically had higher levels of morals and ethics than society as a whole, in the past few decades, it has been used as a proving ground for social experimentation and that has adversely affected the institution as a whole. The past few years have been particularly impactive on the military. Political correctness; unbridled quest for gender equality, regardless of the cost, along with the resultant reduction of standards; immoral dictates; suppression of religion; etc.; etc. have all played a role in the rapid deterioration of the military.
The military is a reflection of society and as such, since the morals, ethics and standards in our society have deteriorated over time, so has our military.
Although the military has typically had higher levels of morals and ethics than society as a whole, in the past few decades, it has been used as a proving ground for social experimentation and that has adversely affected the institution as a whole. The past few years have been particularly impactive on the military. Political correctness; unbridled quest for gender equality, regardless of the cost, along with the resultant reduction of standards; immoral dictates; suppression of religion; etc.; etc. have all played a role in the rapid deterioration of the military.
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Not too many folks would put their neck on the line and make a statement like that.....but you hit the target first go. I've often wondered how pushing God out would benefit anyone or anything, but that's me. I lived through a time where prayer and church and religion were respected and honored. Now it seems to be optional, as in on the secret menu. My thought on the whole decline of society is this....when things are bad, we go to God. When things are good we give ourself credit and become less connected with our spirituality. It is the human that becomes the god. Therefore the birth of humanism. My .02. Sorry didn't want to get off course. My point, things have been good for our kids for some time....my theory rests.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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I have no issue with religion being optional and I think it has always been that way. What I don't like is the suppression of religion in the military. Yet another example of the minority views disproportionately impacting/influencing the majority. Religion should not be forced on anyone. On the other hand, religion should not be prohibited from anyone, either. I do not agree that simply offering a prayer, having a prayer breakfast with voluntary (not mandatory) attendance, having Bibles available to those who want them, having a Christmas tree, etc., etc. is "establishing a religion" as the Libtards profess. If you don't believe in God, that is your right. But your right to not believe does not usurp someone's right to believe.
I have no issue with religion being optional and I think it has always been that way. What I don't like is the suppression of religion in the military. Yet another example of the minority views disproportionately impacting/influencing the majority. Religion should not be forced on anyone. On the other hand, religion should not be prohibited from anyone, either. I do not agree that simply offering a prayer, having a prayer breakfast with voluntary (not mandatory) attendance, having Bibles available to those who want them, having a Christmas tree, etc., etc. is "establishing a religion" as the Libtards profess. If you don't believe in God, that is your right. But your right to not believe does not usurp someone's right to believe.
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COL Jean (John) F. B. F. Burleson I'm curious Sir, you mentioned the minority suppressing the majority....is there a subversive movement of liberals infiltrating the ranks? I largely see the majority of military members considering themselves more conservative 'laissez faire' (approach). However, change is constant, and that is very evident in recent years.
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COL Jean (John) F. B.
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I agree with you. I think that when you have a liberal administration in power, the civilian control of the military also has a liberal slant. They set the policies and dictate the social changes within the military (gender equality, sexual orientation BS, suppression of religious freedom, etc.). The other unfortunate thing is that most of the senior military leaders don't have the moral courage to stand up to those intent on destroying the military. They are more concerned about their own careers and well-being than standing up for what is right.
I agree with you. I think that when you have a liberal administration in power, the civilian control of the military also has a liberal slant. They set the policies and dictate the social changes within the military (gender equality, sexual orientation BS, suppression of religious freedom, etc.). The other unfortunate thing is that most of the senior military leaders don't have the moral courage to stand up to those intent on destroying the military. They are more concerned about their own careers and well-being than standing up for what is right.
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