Posted on Feb 19, 2018
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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I recently started going back to school to finish my BA in English. I take no less than 18 CH a semester and manage to receive As in every class. At the same time, I have witnessed a fair number of students, ranging in ages from 18 to early 20s, who struggle to grasp concepts, write papers, and think critically about information. Today, I received a grade back for a paper that I had written for a course. The subject does not interest me and I put in a minimum effort; because of this fact, I had expected to get a less than perfect grade; in fact, I fully expected to receive no better than a C or low B. To my surprise and confusion, I received a 96%. Has the standard of education in our country spiraled down so far that we should think about revamping the system? According to WorldTop20.org, the U.S. doesn't even break the Top 10 in Education; we sit at 20.
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CPT Jack Durish
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No. The United States should get the hell out of education. Close the US Dept of Education forthwith. Where in the Constitution is there any mandate for the federal government to be involved? Indeed, the quality of education has been in steady decline in the US ever since its inception...
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SPC David Willis
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SGT Joseph Gunderson Oh I guarantee there are those that wouldn't care. There are already kids who are in the system and you want to take the one thing they can use to keep themselves out of it? Now it wouldn't spread like the plague but I believe after a while it would be a problem. Now I'm an extreme pessimist but even my rationale side knows there is some truth in what I'm saying.
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I do agree the Feds need to stay out of education, they screw it up more than help.
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CPT Jack Durish
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SPC David Willis - That's their problem, not mine. If my state were to stop providing education, either in public schools or some form of support (tax incentives, etc) to parents to provide private education, I'd vote with my feet and get the hell out before the entire place collapsed. BTW, can you name the states that didn't provide education before the feds got involved? I'll make sure that I avoid those places...
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SPC David Willis
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CPT Jack Durish - Agreed, as would I. However given enough time that would leave several states with no other population BUT the uneducated which could have serious consequences.
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I saw the same thing when I went to school back in 2000. I had been an enlisted Marine for 5 years and that made the difference. I went to class. I didn't care about parties and beer. I did the assignments. I put forth effort. Oh, and thanks to the GI Bill I was paying for it. Now I don't fault the 18 year olds too much. When I was an 18yo private I partied and drank beer and didn't put effort where I should have.
However, since your question was about the education system, I think college has become a given and thus it isn't important to kids anymore. It used to be a big deal to attend college. It was challenging and people recognized the value in it. These days, a degree isn't worth as much. Is it important? Yes. But it no longer sets you apart, it just brings you back up to level. And why is that? Colleges get money when people attend so the more people they enroll, the more money they make. And you can't fail everyone or people will stop enrolling so the standards drop. This is just my opinion but if you make degrees harder to get by increasing the standards, fewer people will get them, thus making them worth more. But the schools would have to settle for less money and they'll never willingly do that.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
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So, do you foresee any situation in which higher education can find a balance between schools needing money and only producing quality graduates?
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SGT Joseph Gunderson - I know schools put a lot of stock into being accredited. I'm not sure who is in charge of that but it seems like if they raised the standards of accreditation, the schools would naturally follow suit. And if all the schools raised their standards as a result, the money situation should remain the same or if it changed, it would change for everyone. That's just my take on it though.
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PO3 Dale S. - That's a very valid point. But it begs the question, should these people really be getting college degrees? If colleges simply didn't accept these students, maybe it would force the lower level schools to change their curriculum.
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PO3 Dale S. - Another valid point. As a parent of a child with special needs, I can tell most certainly that while the gov't might have good intentions, they do a very poor job of educating kids.
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PVT Mark Brown
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I think that the education system in America, for the most part, has become degraded, dumbed down, so to speak. I hear kids today that don't really know a lot, don't really understand the importance of education and, moreover, don't care. Discipline needs to be returned to the classroom. We need more motivate teachers, allowing for reduced class size. Correction must be implemented at the lower grades initially, K thru 6. Once this level of schooling is returned to a high quality educational experience, then move on to the grades of 7-9, moving along with the kids that are now leaving the elementary school campus transitioning onto the jr. hi level. Same for moving to the 10-12 grades. Institutions of Higher Education will take over at that point where competition will demand the best. So, it must start at the very bottom and grow from there. This will be a long term proposition but well worth it in the end. Return the Flag, the Pledge and perhaps prayer (at least voluntary.) We have let our kids down in this country. I am nearly 70 years old and schools today don't hold a candle to the schools of the 50's and 60's.
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SGT Matthew S.
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I agree, and I'd add that the school system needs to do more actual teaching and less 'teaching to pass a standardized test'. The ability to figure out what to *do* with the information that students learn seems sorely lacking anymore.
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I bet if you could teach their subjects on a smart phone they would get it. Most kids today cannot hold a conversation with another human being because they spend all their free time on their phone. I worked with a young man at the 11th aviation who literally could not go i minute without looking at his phone. One day we had a meeting with our supervisor and he was constantly looking and messing with his phone. Our supervisor who was a retired 1st SGT and 58 finally took the phone from him and told him to never bring it to another meeting again. The kid looked like he was going to cry.
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