Posted on Oct 2, 2017
Were any Rally Point members caught in the mess in Las Vegas?
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I picked up a relative at the airport last night, but we went home instead of the normal trip up The Strip we normally take visitors. Wife had good chow and we just went straight home.
We do have Nellis AFB that is close to the Strip.
I tagged this terrorism but it is unknown at this time. Just thinking of our airman who are locals in Las Vegas.
We do have Nellis AFB that is close to the Strip.
I tagged this terrorism but it is unknown at this time. Just thinking of our airman who are locals in Las Vegas.
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I had several friends and family members shot, non life threatening. I visited families and friends in the hospital today....not recommended. One frantic phone call during it all. I did find out today that several veterans were killed. My non profit started a go fund me account to assist with medical and funeral expenses and other costs. I can post it if you would like to help.
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SSG Ernest Gonzales
Click here to support VAREP LAS VEGAS FUND FOR VICTIMS organized by Ernie Gonzales
The Veterans Association of Real Estate Professionals Las Vegas chapter is setting up an account to assist local and out of town tourists involved by the terrible events at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in Las Vegas. Our friends and families have been affected and some will need assistance in med...
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I hope they will all be well. Someone from this area of NW TN was killed while shielding his wife. I believe she was a sports medicine type that worked with some teams in the area and he was a nurse. Tragic deaths and injuries all.
http://wreg.com/2017/10/02/west-tennessee-man-killed-in-las-vegas-mass-shooting/
http://wreg.com/2017/10/02/west-tennessee-man-killed-in-las-vegas-mass-shooting/
West Tennessee man killed in Las Vegas mass shooting
A nurse from West Tennessee was one of the victims of the horrific mass shooting in Las Vegas, multiple sources have confirmed.
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They found at least 2 bump stock mods on AR's in his room. They are more effective than the Gat Crank type devices which go for around $40. These range from $139 to $259 but we can expect authorities to be looking at them closely after this shooting. This guy was off the radar and hadn't even had a parking ticket. They found ammonium nitrate in his car and besides the guns in his room found a lot of things at his residence. I hope the injured survive and am saddened for the families of those killed in this senseless shooting.
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/02/report-bump-stocks-found-vegas-shooters-hotel-room/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6tORrODJE
https://hotair.com/archives/2017/10/02/report-bump-stocks-found-vegas-shooters-hotel-room/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6tORrODJE
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SSG Robert Webster
CWO3 (Join to see) - You may want to review the following article from the LA Times.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/facebook-and-google-enabled-fake-news-links-to-las-vegas-shooting-hoaxes/ar-AAsPTpp?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/breakingnews/facebook-and-google-enabled-fake-news-links-to-las-vegas-shooting-hoaxes/ar-AAsPTpp?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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SSG Robert Webster - at the time I posted last night there was only one link, here's a look at how it has developed since, there seem to be a lot of credible sources
https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&source=hp&q=vegas+gunman+had+bump+device&oq=vegas+gunman+had+bump+device&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160k1.4238.14830.0.15258.30.29.0.0.0.0.566.4435.0j14j3j2j1j1.22.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..8.20.4009.6..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i3k1j0i20i264k1j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.141.MqLHZ3nZNoo
https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&source=hp&q=vegas+gunman+had+bump+device&oq=vegas+gunman+had+bump+device&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160k1.4238.14830.0.15258.30.29.0.0.0.0.566.4435.0j14j3j2j1j1.22.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..8.20.4009.6..0j35i39k1j0i131k1j0i3k1j0i20i264k1j0i22i30k1j0i22i10i30k1j33i22i29i30k1j33i21k1.141.MqLHZ3nZNoo
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SSG Robert Webster
CWO3 (Join to see) - An interesting bullet point at the top of the CNBC article shows how inept that some reporters and their sources can be. See below:
The devices could have converted semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic ones, officials said.
A semi-automatic weapon requires one trigger pull for each round fired. With a fully automatic firearm, one trigger pull can unleash continuous rounds until the magazine is empty.
A bump stock device does not make the weapon an automatic weapon. What it really does (and why they are currently legal) is that it assist the individual in actuating the trigger multiple times in rapid succession. Adding a spring to the device may make it illegal, but it still requires the trigger to be actuated for each round fired, but it still does not make it a machine gun by the definition as used by the ATF.
For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means:
1. Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger
2. The frame or receiver of any such weapon
3. Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or
4. Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
(Numbers added by me for clarification. Note 1 and 2, and the specifics of: by a single function of the trigger.)
Reference:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-0
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionUScode.action?collectionCode=USCODE&searchPath=Title+26%2FSubtitle+E%2FCHAPTER+53&oldPath=Title+26%2FSubtitle+E&isCollapsed=true&selectedYearFrom=2011&ycord=1419
The devices could have converted semi-automatic firearms into fully automatic ones, officials said.
A semi-automatic weapon requires one trigger pull for each round fired. With a fully automatic firearm, one trigger pull can unleash continuous rounds until the magazine is empty.
A bump stock device does not make the weapon an automatic weapon. What it really does (and why they are currently legal) is that it assist the individual in actuating the trigger multiple times in rapid succession. Adding a spring to the device may make it illegal, but it still requires the trigger to be actuated for each round fired, but it still does not make it a machine gun by the definition as used by the ATF.
For the purposes of the National Firearms Act the term Machinegun means:
1. Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger
2. The frame or receiver of any such weapon
3. Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively or combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, or
4. Any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
(Numbers added by me for clarification. Note 1 and 2, and the specifics of: by a single function of the trigger.)
Reference:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-0
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionUScode.action?collectionCode=USCODE&searchPath=Title+26%2FSubtitle+E%2FCHAPTER+53&oldPath=Title+26%2FSubtitle+E&isCollapsed=true&selectedYearFrom=2011&ycord=1419
Firearms - Guides - Importation & Verification of Firearms - National Firearms Act Definitions -...
Note: Due to the similarity in appearance and general configuration of semiautomatic firearms, a comprehensive examination of the firearm and/or its component parts is required to correctly determine its classification.
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SSG Robert Webster
CWO3 (Join to see) - From the CNBC article:
"Two officials familiar with the investigation told the AP that Paddock had two bump stocks. They are investigating whether those stocks were used to modify weapons used in the massacre, according to the officials, who were briefed by law enforcement and spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still unfolding."
Note that it says that they are 'still' investigating whether those stocks were used to modify weapons used in the massacre. Also note that this came from a secondary source: "...according to officials, who were briefed by law enforcement..."; not a primary source.
"Two officials familiar with the investigation told the AP that Paddock had two bump stocks. They are investigating whether those stocks were used to modify weapons used in the massacre, according to the officials, who were briefed by law enforcement and spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is still unfolding."
Note that it says that they are 'still' investigating whether those stocks were used to modify weapons used in the massacre. Also note that this came from a secondary source: "...according to officials, who were briefed by law enforcement..."; not a primary source.
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