Posted on Aug 27, 2017
Can the Reserves force you to do online training without pay?
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The Army Reserve Medics used to do re certifying training in uniform paid, for a week or two. Now its online through SWANK health online where we have to meet a minimum of hours to re qualify as Medics. I have been informed that this time/classes will be unpaid despite being mandatory. How can the Army force me to spend my personal time doing something unpaid?
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The book answer is no.
...however. For some perspective. On Battle Assembly days, you are owned by your Commander for 24 hours. The alternative is for soldiers to come to Drill...as early as is needed...and leave as late as is needed to meet these hours, if you -really- want to make this a problem.
You are paid a very good amount of money to do ultimately very little at Drill. We both know it, you could be there a lot longer-- and it does happen to other Reservists. So would you rather do this on your couch drinking a beer, or stay in uniform at the drill hall and do them on Army computers that are ten times slower?
...however. For some perspective. On Battle Assembly days, you are owned by your Commander for 24 hours. The alternative is for soldiers to come to Drill...as early as is needed...and leave as late as is needed to meet these hours, if you -really- want to make this a problem.
You are paid a very good amount of money to do ultimately very little at Drill. We both know it, you could be there a lot longer-- and it does happen to other Reservists. So would you rather do this on your couch drinking a beer, or stay in uniform at the drill hall and do them on Army computers that are ten times slower?
Its interesting... I hear this question from a Soldier (in some variation) every couple of years. There are certain things that are expected of you when you are a Soldier (even a reservist). One of those things involves occasionally taking care of Army business outside of normal drills (this factor increases as you go up in rank). These days that can be answering an e-mail from your Commander *or* knocking out some mandatory online training. Being a Soldier--even on reserve/guard status--is not a normal job, so you cannot expect normal working hours. And certainly, unlike a normal job (or the Regular Army), the reserves and guard have to figure out how to do things within the confines of one monthly drill and one annual training. As for the pay, when you are on drill status you are getting paid 24/7, and I guarantee you are not working that entire time.
While its true you technically do not belong to the unit when not drilling, it does not mean you are not a Soldier, and if we were to limit what military tasks we do to just drill weekends, our drills would become much more problematic (and would likely fail to accomplish many other tasks).
While its true you technically do not belong to the unit when not drilling, it does not mean you are not a Soldier, and if we were to limit what military tasks we do to just drill weekends, our drills would become much more problematic (and would likely fail to accomplish many other tasks).
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MSG John Wirts Precisely what I came here to say. Also, if there was an enlistment/re-enlistmen bonus tied to the Soldier maintaining 68W, they can see that recouped.
So, no the unit can't "make" you, but there are always choices and consequences.
So, no the unit can't "make" you, but there are always choices and consequences.
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MSG John Wirts
But despite all the reserves have always been the bastard step-child. We get a part time job with some advantages, continuation of military career, the actives are quick to point out we get 15 membership points per year just for belonging to a unit. We get 1 point for each 4 hour uta(the active calls this double credit) , we get correspondence course points for any correspondence courses we take. These are inactive duty points and limited to 60 points per year. Let's look closer 15 membership points, 48 IDT points, stop before we even consider man day spaces, or correspondence course points we now have 63 points we lose three points per year before we even start those. So once we get our 20 years we have lost 60 points without even having completed a correspondence course, or gotten a man day space. Now when we get to twenty years and get our letter we have to wait until we're 60 to get our retirement computed and get paid for the real time we spent in the reserves. Our retirement is justifiably less then active duty based on actual time served. But that is the reduced retirement, why do the reserves have to take a double hit and wait til we're 60 to draw our already reduced retirement?
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SSG Darrell Peters
If a Medic cannot RST to attend EMT training from a Certified State Fire School or other venue. Then yes they can use those hours for Retirement Points.
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I can only deal with the frustration through humor, because you are exactly correct Sir.
...however. For some perspective. On Battle Assembly days, you are owned by your Commander for 24 hours."
Times 4 paid days in a drill weekend yes?
So the CDR owns you for 96 hours... of that Id bet there are only about 20~24 hours total over the 4 days that have scheduled training. Lest say 24.. So you have a choice, be in duty uniform at the armory the other 72 hours doing your on line training getting "paid" or be at home in those "non scheduled training hours" getting paid, but give up some "off time" to do the on line training.
The more I hang out at RP, the more I understand why AD folks that retire from AD after 25 plus years are not allowed to join the Reserves.