Posted on Oct 10, 2014
How do I address a height and weight situation?
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Today was the company H/W. I personally always have to be taped but have no problems passing. As I stood waiting for my calculations A very large SFC was being taped. This particular NCO has been on the program for more than a year. She also recommended a chapter for a soldier based on H/W. That soldier is now my soldier. Her(the NCO) waist measurements were called out as 2 inches less than mine. When I say this is not possible I mean THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE! My mouth literally fell open. I was then told I needed to leave because I was done. All of the tapers were also SFCs and a 1sg (not in my company). I know it was a flat out lie. How do I/ Should I address this further?
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Posted 10 y ago
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Wow...integrity check..
I would bring it up to the Chain of command. Write a statement. Someone should re-tape and sounds like some re-training!
I would bring it up to the Chain of command. Write a statement. Someone should re-tape and sounds like some re-training!
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After many years in the Army, active and reserve, I can tell you this is not an isolated incident but not pandemic in the Army. This places you in a precarious position. Without proof that someone purposefully fudged the tape in the NCOs favor it would be hard to bring this forward for change and at the same time implicating several other senior NCOs as being complicit. Using your NCO support channel, as mentioned, would probably be best option if you really want to pursue this, prefacing the meeting with "I need your advice. How would be respond or proceed?"...and lay out the exact scenario you mentioned and tell that you believe the waist numbers recored were lower than actual. This could also have the potential to backfire on you. Tough decision.
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Update. I did talk with my 1SG. He told me he already knew and was handling it. I asked him how he knew and even though he didn't have to tell me he did. Apparently even with the "mistake" she still did not pass. When he was going over previous records he saw the "difference" that was unlikely from her previous tape. She was re-taped. I want to thank everyone who gave me advice and supported me in bringing this to my 1sg. He did tell me I should not have waited a week to talk to him and of course not to go around talking about it to others in the unit. Thanks again for all the advice.
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SGT Michael Glenn
As long as the issue has been properly dealt with and all parties have been counseled I would leave it alone . If I found out that nothing happened, a trip to IG is in order as I cannot stand a crooked chain of command.
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1stSgt Eugene Harless
That is something you need to ALWAYS consider when you notice shenanigans with Senoir NCOS. Just because you don't see it getting addressed doesn't mean it wasn't seen or isn't being corrected.
"Praise in public, criticise in private" is a rule that especially applies to those dealing with Senoir Enlisted and officers. As a young Sergeant (E-5) I had a couple of SSgts (E-6s) in my unit who were as fucked up as Hogan's goat. They didn't know how to run a Howitzer Section, were constantly getting out of field operations and couldn't run PT worth crap. They both ended up getting easy jobs at Battalion just before I transfered out.
Years later after I had picked up SSgt (E-6, which is considered SNCO) I ran into another Marine SNCO who was one of their peers. He told me those two were on the 1st Sgt's and the Sgt Major's shit list big time. They were constantly getting called on the carpet and both ended up getting out short of retirement due to bad fitness reports. Just because you don't see the justice being done, or arent part of it being doled out, doesnt mean it isnt happening.
"Praise in public, criticise in private" is a rule that especially applies to those dealing with Senoir Enlisted and officers. As a young Sergeant (E-5) I had a couple of SSgts (E-6s) in my unit who were as fucked up as Hogan's goat. They didn't know how to run a Howitzer Section, were constantly getting out of field operations and couldn't run PT worth crap. They both ended up getting easy jobs at Battalion just before I transfered out.
Years later after I had picked up SSgt (E-6, which is considered SNCO) I ran into another Marine SNCO who was one of their peers. He told me those two were on the 1st Sgt's and the Sgt Major's shit list big time. They were constantly getting called on the carpet and both ended up getting out short of retirement due to bad fitness reports. Just because you don't see the justice being done, or arent part of it being doled out, doesnt mean it isnt happening.
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