Posted on Jul 6, 2017
SPC Anthony Schepis
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I just don't understand why some things in the Army haven't died out. We all know that there's some ridiculous regulations, customs, and courtesies. You would think that after many years of hard work the soldiers who make these positions would want to make some changes. Are they afraid to change them or do they whole heartedly agree with them?
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SGT Christopher Hayden
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You lost me at this one: "Standing at attention and parade rest when addressing superiors."
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Sgt Dale Briggs
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In boot we were issued Tropical Uniforms even though they were out, and I still had to pay for them.

Sorry meant for the CSM below.
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CSM Clifford Fargason
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You might want to look at history before saying leadership never makes changes. When I came in the service uniform had a winter and summer version. Change was made on a certain calendar date and it didn't matter where you were stationed, it might be 90 degrees out, but the calendar dictated wool. Your cotton fatigues would be starched, but they finally changed that to allowing permanent press uniforms. If you were a trooper in the southwest during the Indian Wars you would wear wool uniforms all year long.
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We had Garrison Caps and now we have Wool Berets.
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SGT Mathew Husen
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Never let us use the flaps on the patrol cap in the winter. Made too much sense, lol
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SFC Gary Fox
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You're correct, we did have two different service uniforms. We also had two overcoats; a heavy wool one for winter, and a light green one for the warm weather months. Our class B uniform was khakis, the shirt for our A's were long-sleeved poplin. I remember our PT uniform was white t-shirt, fatigue pants, and combat boots. I went through a lot of uniform changes during my 30-year career. Sometimes they were too frequent.
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Can you provide some examples of what you consider rediculous so that we can have an informed discussion?
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SPC Anthony Schepis
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SGM Erik Marquez, I could understand wearing the PT belt at night, no other time is necessary, only Army does these kind of policies. Drinking and walking is not unprofessional, this is another unnecessary reg. that was made up by a good idea fairy. When I say white glove inspection I mean they search through your stuff for drugs and other illegal stuff, not the standard see if it's clean inspection. They don't do that to on post housing married soldiers, that's government property too. If you say going to parade rest and attention creates respect, then why do soldiers still get in trouble for disrespect? It's not like everyone would lose respect if you took it away from the work place. UCMJ is what keeps soldiers in line. I also would hardly ever see NCOs and Officers do it to their superiors, just junior enlisted. I also never said the Army should "change for me." You have to ask yourself at some point why 80 percent plus of soldiers don't re-enlist. I'm a veteran also, but I would still like to go back in the Army one day.
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Long sleeves protect you from the sun but also increase your risk of heatstroke if you're not hydrating properly (very difficult to do if water resupply is not readily and immediately available). Downgrading lets your body cool more effectively, the way it's supposed to. Think long sleeves protect you from the sun? Toss a blanket over your car's radiator and drive down the road on a hot day, see what happens. It's liquid physics. The evaporation of sweat into the air removes heat from the body. Trapping that sweat prevents it from evaporating and removing heat, and coats you in a layer of hot liquid that just makes the problem worse.

Yes, lightweight, light-colored fabric helps protect you from the sun, but it's not as cooling as downgrading, and tanning safely and effectively (which is a different process for everyone) is better than wearing long sleeves. Having spent a few summers on firing ranges up at Camp Butner, that was our collective experience and the heat conditions there are much worse than anything I've dealt with on Bragg.
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CPO Bill Penrod
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Be very careful you start giving anything its gone never to return. The Navy went through this the past couple years and we did get three decisions reversed. Trust me its very difficult to gets the traditions back......................
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I have to agree with SGM on a lot of it, and he's right on some things not being AR but being Command Policy. Taking off your blouse, when we're working outside our CC and BC allowed it due to heat, once we were back inside you hydrate and put the blouse back on. Not saluting or going to parade rest, this is simple. If you're in an extended working environment such as an office or the motor pool your NCO's/Officers will usually instruct you to relax while conducting work but they don't have to (virtue of rank).
For example I have a Colonel in my office, upon his first time entering the office that day the room goes to attention, he then looks around to see who's in and then says relax and gives an order to not go to attention for the rest of the day (unless Stars walk through the door) the reason being is he will be in and out a lot and he doesn't want work to be interrupted (his rank his rule).

We have changed some things though, black socks for PT, headphones on closed track or the gym (command approval), rolled up sleeves are back (command approval).
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