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national guard since 7/01/15 I then decided to switch over to active duty. My start day of active duty is 11/23/16 I've been active duty since then. *I've originally enlisted and entered Basic training as a E3 and been one since then*. If I am correct my 2 year mark (E4) should be 7/1/17 but ive been told different things from different people. Last note. I had NO BREAK in service.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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This type a question comes up about once a month. OK, the basic rules are that if you are current NG and have had BCT and AIT, been awarded and MOS and have 12 months in your unit, you get to keep you rank, but your date of rank resets to the day of your enlistment. Your TIS does not change. So your six months TIG requirement started when you went Active Duty. However, your command can waiver 3 months of the 6 month requirement for E4.
As a side note, you get retirement credit of one day for every UTA and one for every active duty training day, BCT, AIT and AT as examples.
This is a reasonably accurate website to check for answers on this kind of stuff. https://www.thebalance.com/rules-for-determining-active-duty-rank-for-prior-service-3344810
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SGT Training Nco
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Thanks for the great info sir! I didn't know about the retirement credit rate for UTAs so I'm going to double check my records and make sure MEPS/MILPO did in fact give me credit for my drill days.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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SGT (Join to see) - You will probably have to get your point record from either your last Guard Unit or NGB. My experience is that the NGB and Army/Army Reserve systems don't talk to each other, so it will probable mean that you get the proof and they can manually enter it. I averaged over 100 days a year between schools, special assignments, AT and Drills. It can add up if you were in for awhile.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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SGT (Join to see) - When you were released form the National Guard, they should have sent you a packet with you NGB22, the National Guard equivalent of a DD214. They should have include a NGB22A and a NGB-A1, which are itemized and annual total of retirement points. There are limitations to how many IDT points you can get a year, 60 I believe when I was still Active Reserve, but none active duty training. Just doing the minimum will earn you 78 points a year and I usually ran double that amount or more, so if you did five or six years, it can easily add up to a couple of retirement year credits on the active side.
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Technically, you did have a break in service. You switched from the National Guard Bureau to the Army Regular Component. That requires you be discharged from one and enlisted into the other (I went through this process except it was Reserves instead of NG.) For the most part, everything resets except for your PEBD (pay entry base date.) MEPS is supposed to calculate all your time on active duty (i.e. BCT, AIT, annual training, etc.) and then back date it from the date you officially enlist into active duty to give you your new BASD. Your date of Rank will restart to the day you start active duty. Your GCM (good conduct medal) start date also begins when you start active duty as well. I was a specialist when I switched over so taking the next step in rank was all up to me. I was only active duty for 2 years before I went to the promotion board. And then pinned SGT a month shy of 3 years. I would think that either at your 6 month mark (which you've already eclipsed) or your 1 year mark you should be eligible for promotion. These kind of questions are hard to answer because it's a multiple situation scenario which army regulations don't always cover. Read up on Army Regulation 600-8-19 (promotions and reductions) to see if there's an answer in there for you. If not, present your situation with supporting documentation to your leadership. If your a good soldier and they have no reason not to, they should be helping you to get promoted. DO NOT let them brush you off (I know how MP units can be). Your leadership is there to provide you with purpose, direction and motivation. Knowledge is power. Good luck.
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Does monthly drill count, on my NGB 22 shows 1 year 4 months in service. Although I did get a
Honarble dischare literally at the same time I was already at my first assignment to some extent I was in both at the same time hence why I said no break in service
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SGT Training Nco
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Drills do not count. Only when you're on active duty orders which are deployments, annual training, tdy, etc. Break in service implies that it's the same component of the army. Regular Component and National Guard are two different things. So your break in service started when you received your DD214 when you graduated AIT and ended the day you reported for active duty in the Regular Component.
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Going off of your theory about a technical break in service because you have to be discharged from one to enter the other, though, that means anyone who's signed a reenlistment contract has had a break in service (have to be "discharged" to reenlist - hence why you receive an Honorable Discharge certificate with your reenlistment certificate, and the discharge certificate is always for the day prior to your reenlistment...). Thus, it's a bit of a slippery slope, claiming a break in service because one had to be discharged from one component to transfer into another.
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SPC Roger D. Pemberton Jr.
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Standard E-3 to E-4 promotion is 6 months TIG and 2 years time in service. If memory serves you can get a TIS waiver from your command and be promoted 1 year to 18 months TIS instead. The best people you can ask is your 1st Sgt and your commander. They are the ones who control your promotions through E-4.
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First of all, "brass tacks". Second, you aren't talking a promotion, you are talking about an advancement. Your first promotion will either be lateral to corporal, or to sergeant. Third, while you are technically correct that the CO controls advancements and waivers.... it's a shitty CO who doesn't listen to his 1SG and senior NCOs when it comes to this. I'm sure there's an exemption or two out there, but they are exemptions. You go to your CO about tie without giving your squad leader, PSG, and 1SG a chance to run this to ground, you are burning bridges you need to travel forward in the Army. Fourth, saying a first sergeant has "slightly more say" than a team leader in this is, frankly, ignorant. Top and his/her words carry a lot of weight. If you think a conversation with your commander, as a PFC, can start with "I didn't let me chain of support tackle this because I just wanted to go straight to you", 99 times out of 100, the CO will say, and I quote, "PFC, position of attention, move. About face. Forward march." Now, if a Soldier feels his NCOs are intentional delaying or impeding paperwork leading to his/her advancement, yes, utilize the commander's open door policy and state their grievance. So finally, PFC Walls, get all of your paperwork- your enlistment contract, paperwork from getting out of the Guard, your ERB, whatever, and give it to your first line supervisor. Don't give them your last copy of anything. Communicate your concerns and give them a reasonable amount of time to work the issue- if you are leaving for NTC in three days, this isn't getting fixed for a month, sorry. Then bump it up one pay grade. You go to your CO without letting NCOs do their job, and you will cause more pain than you intend. This isn't a command issue, it's a support issue... use your chain of support.
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SPC Roger D. Pemberton Jr.
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I said using the chain of command went without say and auto correct sucks. You're right though I should bow to the king of knowledge "King Know It All", consider yourself officially bowed to.
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1SG First Sergeant
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SPC, you are a barracks lawyer, aren't you? Again, you are confusing chain of command and chain of support. For the third time, and stop bowing and maybe listen, don't use your chain of command until it's a command issue and use your chain of support. It's not about being a know it all, it's about communicating your experience. In mine, your idea, plainly put, sucks... and could result in a bad environment for the PFC. I have no idea what his command climate is like, so I can't speak to specifics, but I'd like to hear from senior CPTs and recent MAJs about how they would handle a PFC coming into their office without taking their issue through their NCOs. I'm more than willing to be wrong but I'm confident I'm correct the majority of the time on this one. Finally, I'll posit that you don't understand the commander/first sergeant relationship, as evidenced by your comment about how 1SG has "slightly more say" than a team leader in this area. Either way, I hear you on autocorrect.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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Listen to the SFC. Had you brought this to me without asking your squad/section leader first, or to my First Shirt, you would have gotten a lecture about the chain of command in a loud and direct manner. In this case, PFC Walls in enquiring to the regulations and how they apply to his situation. In his case, when he switched from NG to Active, it reset his DOR, which he indicated is correct on his ERB according that regulation, but his pay date/TIS is still the same as his original enlistment, so he should now be eligible for promotion without waivers. While Army promotions at E4 and below are Decentralized and the unit Commander is the promoting authority, I have never promoted anyone in the unit without input for the squat/section leader, platoon leader and the 1st Sgt. Since the Army doesn't quota ranks from E4 down, it's "automatic", assuming that you have a MOS qualification, have no legal/article 15s, and have passed the PT and weight standards and you don't get flagged by one of your chain.
The commander can waiver 6 month TIS and 3 months TIG to promote to E4. PFC Walls should need neither at this point. I would check with my first line supervisor to ensure that he is on the promotion list, but if he is giving us the correct information, he should be good to go.
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