Posted on Aug 29, 2014
Are we being over saturated with SHARP/EO/MRT training?
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This might just be my opinion but I believe this extreme amount of mandatory training gets away from it's intent after a while. We have so much of it now ( in my unit we do weekly videos, weekly briefs along with quarterly requirements) that the impact is resistance not interest.
I get the problem, we have had some Senior Leaders exposed so we need to show publicly an aggressive approach to reducing incidents. Here is an idea, when Soldiers of any rank are found guilty, destroy them with no reserve. Change some legislation and regs that so convicted seniors can't retire one rank down with a fat paycheck. Bring in external review boards for high profile cases, no reason to be scared if you don't plan to commit a felony.
People that are capable of doing these things to people are not going to have their morality resurrected by a PowerPoint slide. What significant change has come from this super campaign of training? I'm not saying some training is not good, it is important, but my mission is really affected by the time spent in training.
What is your perspective?
I get the problem, we have had some Senior Leaders exposed so we need to show publicly an aggressive approach to reducing incidents. Here is an idea, when Soldiers of any rank are found guilty, destroy them with no reserve. Change some legislation and regs that so convicted seniors can't retire one rank down with a fat paycheck. Bring in external review boards for high profile cases, no reason to be scared if you don't plan to commit a felony.
People that are capable of doing these things to people are not going to have their morality resurrected by a PowerPoint slide. What significant change has come from this super campaign of training? I'm not saying some training is not good, it is important, but my mission is really affected by the time spent in training.
What is your perspective?
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Every year the Army adds training to combat these issues. With any problem eventually you reach the point of diminishing returns, where your efforts pay off less and less the more you do.
The Army reached this point in 1980.
The Army reached this point in 1980.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
We have defiantly hit that point in my AO sir. The classes are so watered down now because the instructors are burnt out of saying the same stuff every couple days.
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SFC(P) (Join to see) , LTC (Join to see) I think made an excellent point. It does become limited to a certain extent. I was a military brat and been stuck watching AFN since I was 3 years old, worked on post as a teenager, and been in for 13 years now. Basically, I have seen and remember this stuff since being 3 years old and cannot absorb any more training at times. I think the Army should just have an annual proficiency exam and retrain those who fail (but this would be to robotic and would appear to be bad business if a violation would have occurred). I understand why we are doing this and the purpose that it serves. I just don't understand how some personnel just violate all this in the first place. It really comes down to respect. Regardless of how much we are trained on it, there are always going to be issues. I think at times, it has the reverse effect. The biggest thing that I notice that has a dramatic effect is when leaders are relieved, including a TWO star who was demoted to a ONE star for not handling such an incident.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
I'm with you CPT Eric Dunn, Imagine the impact if BG Sinclair would have been PVT Sinclair. If you violate someone like that in a position like he had, everything you have done before it should mean nothing. That proved who he was, someone who should have never had the responsibility, or the paycheck, to lead at that level.
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SFC(P) (Join to see), I think LTC Sinclair's punishment was light. I think he had a $20000 fine, but the SEC of the Army and Defense are making it a number one priority. You notice the wording has to be in all of our evaluations, school reports, and they are checking the backgrounds more severly of those who are in a "position of trust".
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
You got a valid point there sir. I can see a change in protocol, at the same time I'm positive there is a more effective way to educate the force. If we conducted a man hour survey the hours spent on HR related training would be shocking DACs and Soldiers. That is not a cost effective action when the tax payer is footing the bill. I don't think that approach would fly in similar sized Fortune 500 company. Sounds like a Lean Six Sigma Black Belt project right there LOL.
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I concur that we are being oversaturated. This is especially prevalent in the National Guard (and I'm guessing Reserve as well) as leadership is forced to trying to shoehorn this in along with the real training we need to do.
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SFC(P) (Join to see)
I can see how it can be especially difficult for the AR/ANG with the limited time the unit has to train. How have you guys managed all of the requirements? Do you think condensing all of the training requirements to ensure hitting everything meets the intent?
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1LT (Join to see)
Slightly longer days and offloading some things to Annual Training. It makes writing the training schedules for the following TYs.... fun...
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