Posted on Sep 13, 2016
Is man-influenced climate change an actual problem?
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With a little bit of tongue in cheek, this recent XKDC comic puts into perspective climate change and the impact of recent generations on it. Additionally, it helps to show the comparison of "the Earth has always been warming and cooling" vs what we are experiencing now.
That being said - should climate change be addressed by the world powers?
That being said - should climate change be addressed by the world powers?
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Climate Change happens every Day ... every week every month and every year...
If you don't like the weather wait it will change or go some place else... unless you are in the desert... and humans had nothing to do with that...
Global Climate Change Is the Biggest Crock of Crap in the last 50 years... There are problems and they are being fixed as we find them and realize they are there...
If Al Gore was not pushing the issue so dam hard it would be bothering every one Other than it is Part of The UN's Agenda 21... but he is and all his Career criminal politician and business buddies are getting Richer by the minute by hocking this BS...
If you don't like the weather wait it will change or go some place else... unless you are in the desert... and humans had nothing to do with that...
Global Climate Change Is the Biggest Crock of Crap in the last 50 years... There are problems and they are being fixed as we find them and realize they are there...
If Al Gore was not pushing the issue so dam hard it would be bothering every one Other than it is Part of The UN's Agenda 21... but he is and all his Career criminal politician and business buddies are getting Richer by the minute by hocking this BS...
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MSgt Richard Rountree
MAJ Bryan Zeski - What records were used prior to 1850 to calculate this so-called 'average global temperature'? Why was this 'look back' limited to only 10,000 years? Isn't the Earth estimated to be about 4.5 billion years old? From what I remember from junior high school, the earth has gone through several periods of 'climate change' with wildly varying temperature extremes that come and go over very large periods of time. I think it's reasonable to believe that humans had little, if anything, to do with causing these historical climate shifts. I think it's also reasonable to believe these current variations in temperatures are simply the planet's natural cycle of heating and cooling. I also think it's reasonable to believe that the short period of time the current data has been gathered is not likely to be indicative of the larger climate cycles that may be tens of thousands of years in duration. IMHO, all the hysteria is being whipped up by people and groups with ulterior motives to either enrich themselves and/or assert control over the world's populations. Disclaimer: These are my opinions. Your opinion may vary. That's OK.
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I do find it hard to say that they can go back to 1875 and get an average global temp. But they said this year that March, April and May were the hottest months on record, not in my neck of the woods, it was quite cool and wet compared to our normal weather patterns.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
MSgt Richard Rountree - If you look at the attached image in large form, you can see the larger picture about the long-term (beyond 10k) climate change.
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The _only_ reason this is an issue are power hungry politicians looking for ways to control the general populace. Man-influenced climate change is laughable.
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
What makes you think that man-influenced climate change in laughable? Have you been to any major cities? We can measure the levels of particulates in the air around major cities and can show that they have very clear and detrimental effects on humans. We've shown that our decrease in greenhouse gas emissions has reversed the deterioration of the hole in the ozone layer.
Science supports man-influenced climate change. Where is the evidence that the dramatic increase in temperatures is naturally occurring?
Science supports man-influenced climate change. Where is the evidence that the dramatic increase in temperatures is naturally occurring?
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MSgt Richard Rountree
Just time for two;
A large body of scientific research suggests that the sun is responsible for the greater share of climate change during the past hundred years.
Politicians and activiists claim rising sea levels are a direct cause of global warming but sea levels rates have been increasing steadily since the last ice age 10,000 ago. (Posted by Patricia for MSgt Rountree)
A large body of scientific research suggests that the sun is responsible for the greater share of climate change during the past hundred years.
Politicians and activiists claim rising sea levels are a direct cause of global warming but sea levels rates have been increasing steadily since the last ice age 10,000 ago. (Posted by Patricia for MSgt Rountree)
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First of all, a question. So, we have now gone from calling it "global warming" to "Anthropogenic Global Warming" (in order to concretely state that man was causing it), to now it is "climate change" and "man-influenced climate change" (denoting that man is not THE cause, but only an influence?)? Now to answer the question that the OP posits. No, I do not believe that AGW is an actual problem...and there are several reasons why.
Firstly, why can I not access the data that is used to create these predictions in raw form? I have tried numerous times to access raw temperature data as collected by the measuring stations. After the "climate-gate" scandal it come out that most of, it not all of, the "scientific" units tracking AGW apply "fixes" to the raw data before running their figures. After these so-called "fixes" are applied we some how end up with every subsequent year being the "hottest on record". It turns out that these "fixes" are typically adding into the raw data adjustments based off of calculations as to what the global mean temperature was supposed to have risen by. If I posit that global mean temperature was supposed to have risen from 1998 levels by 1.5C so I add in that 1.5C to all of my raw data, then yes I am going to show an increase in average temperature...because I have artificially adjusted the average.
Secondly, the rise in global mean temperature since the 1880's is actually scientifically expected. It is true that global mean temperatures when this country was first settled by Europeans was 4C lower than it is today. The winters in New England in the 1620's were historically brutal. This is due to the Earth being in the midst of the "mini-ice age". The "mini-ice age" happened to peter out (coincidentally) with the start of the industrial revolution, circa 1880. This explains why temperatures rose from that point.
Thirdly, According to scientific data, we have still yet to achieve temperatures witnessed during the medieval warm period. Since our feudal ancestors neither burned coal for fuel nor drove the dreaded "SUV" I cannot find anyway that they caused the medieval warm period to be warmer than present day through their activity. This means that there must be something else at play besides human activity.
What the medieval warm period, the "mini-ice age" and present day all have in common that the climate "scientist" seem to leave out of their forecast models is...sunspots. During the medieval warm period the solar cycle was at its apex with sunspot activity, and during the "mini-ice age" we entered the Maurnader Minimum. Global mean temperatures have been flat since 1998, and many scientist not on the IPCC project mean temps to start going back down (when not adjusting the data prior to calculations).
I myself watched the animated graph that you posted a picture of in the OP. One must wonder why the anchors were chosen the way they were. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, so why only start the graph during man's existence? However, even the graph itself shows that as far as the data that has actually had a chance to be recorded (not the projected data) we still haven't reached temperatures as high as were experienced during the Egyptian Dynasties. The way the data is presented is also suspect. At no other point in the graph is data broken down in such small scale as it is at the end of the graph. By presenting the data in this manner an outlier year at the end of the graph looks much more sinister than an outlier year within a 1,000 year period elsewhere in the graph (as those lines appear more flat and normalized).
Firstly, why can I not access the data that is used to create these predictions in raw form? I have tried numerous times to access raw temperature data as collected by the measuring stations. After the "climate-gate" scandal it come out that most of, it not all of, the "scientific" units tracking AGW apply "fixes" to the raw data before running their figures. After these so-called "fixes" are applied we some how end up with every subsequent year being the "hottest on record". It turns out that these "fixes" are typically adding into the raw data adjustments based off of calculations as to what the global mean temperature was supposed to have risen by. If I posit that global mean temperature was supposed to have risen from 1998 levels by 1.5C so I add in that 1.5C to all of my raw data, then yes I am going to show an increase in average temperature...because I have artificially adjusted the average.
Secondly, the rise in global mean temperature since the 1880's is actually scientifically expected. It is true that global mean temperatures when this country was first settled by Europeans was 4C lower than it is today. The winters in New England in the 1620's were historically brutal. This is due to the Earth being in the midst of the "mini-ice age". The "mini-ice age" happened to peter out (coincidentally) with the start of the industrial revolution, circa 1880. This explains why temperatures rose from that point.
Thirdly, According to scientific data, we have still yet to achieve temperatures witnessed during the medieval warm period. Since our feudal ancestors neither burned coal for fuel nor drove the dreaded "SUV" I cannot find anyway that they caused the medieval warm period to be warmer than present day through their activity. This means that there must be something else at play besides human activity.
What the medieval warm period, the "mini-ice age" and present day all have in common that the climate "scientist" seem to leave out of their forecast models is...sunspots. During the medieval warm period the solar cycle was at its apex with sunspot activity, and during the "mini-ice age" we entered the Maurnader Minimum. Global mean temperatures have been flat since 1998, and many scientist not on the IPCC project mean temps to start going back down (when not adjusting the data prior to calculations).
I myself watched the animated graph that you posted a picture of in the OP. One must wonder why the anchors were chosen the way they were. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, so why only start the graph during man's existence? However, even the graph itself shows that as far as the data that has actually had a chance to be recorded (not the projected data) we still haven't reached temperatures as high as were experienced during the Egyptian Dynasties. The way the data is presented is also suspect. At no other point in the graph is data broken down in such small scale as it is at the end of the graph. By presenting the data in this manner an outlier year at the end of the graph looks much more sinister than an outlier year within a 1,000 year period elsewhere in the graph (as those lines appear more flat and normalized).
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Kally Alenko
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