Posted on Jul 12, 2016
CW4 Brian Haas
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Yes and then the CW4 can make an airplane or a hat or a boat unless he/she is a really gifted oragamist then the skies the limit!
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SFC Animal Care Specialist
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This has to be the funniest post I've seen all day!! Keep it up MSG Davis!
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SFC Section Sergeant
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Great question, but they dont care....lol
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it depends on what role the NCO has, and who signed the NCO's appointment orders to that role.
I.E a NCO who has been to the Master Fitness Course can counsel an overweight Commissioned officer if the NCO has appointment orders from the commander giving him authority over the unit's ABCP. I say this because i have counseled more than 1 Officer about their progress in the ABCP.
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CW4 Carl Williams
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Can't imagine that scenario. Why would he want to?
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Yes, but it won't be effective. MSG (Join to see) since I am very gifted with making origamis, I made this for you
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CW4 Larry Curtis
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OH MY GOSH this is the BEST comment on this thread. HAHAHAHA!
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Thank you very much LTC (Join to see)! First (and best) oragami pterodactyl I've ever seen!
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LTC Telecommunications Systems Engineer
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u r very welcome MSG (Join to see) :)
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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Oragami with a message !
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
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The question really is can any NCO give any Officer a counseling statement. The answer is NO. They have zero authority given to them to counsel any Officer. Any NCO that presume he/she can give a counseling statement to an Officer should be escorted to the CSM for some NCO counseling.
BTW I don't care about the context of the situation. If the Officer is that 8-up then the NCO should bring it to the Commander or Sr. NCO (CSM or 1SG) so the Commander, as a Officer, can take care of the issue. Keep in mind the Commander is under no obligation to get back to the NCO on how the issue was resolved.
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CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
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SFC (Join to see) - Everyone needs to know there place. Like an NCO I advise officers and commanders. Once I provide the best advise the make a decision. Where I like it or not is irrelevant unless it is illegal, immoral, or unethical.
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SFC Matt Ziemba
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Not a negative counseling, but in some units you may see an E-7 assigned as the Security Manager, in that situation you (E-7) may be called upon to provide a written counseling when someone is briefed into the unit. But NO...not a negative performance type counseling. That's just dumb....
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SFC Robert Lee
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And thats why i retired. Because no matter what the rank is there always should be a conclusion or resolution.
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SFC Robert Lee - Yep. Because justice and unit discipline directly affects morale. This is the reason the command posts Article 15 results out in the company area for all to see. If you have a toxic leader or otherwise jacked-up leader in your organization, at the minimum, the person making the initial report should be given some kind of closure even if it's as little as, "We handled it."
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