Posted on Jul 3, 2014
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Which of the rounds that the Army is looking at replacing the M9 with would you pick? .357 Sig, .40 S&W and .45 ACP Or would you pick something else? Why?

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/07/03/army-wants-harder-hitting-pistol/
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I wouldn't change the pistol at all. We already own this one and we are throwing people out of the military because we are low on funds.
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Assume that I have already written a paragraph citing calibers, scary sounding brand names and such... You will save me the trouble of writing it and, more importantly, you will not have to read it.

Stopping power is really not the issue here. Regardless of whether you miss with a .22, a 40, a 45, a 46, or a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range, stopping power only counts if the round actually encounters the target. Unless you are Johhny Rico deployed to Klendathu, your chances of actually engaging with a side arm are about as remote as me giving a damn about ANYTHING remotely connected with a Kardashian. IF, you are actually engaging with a sidearm, you are not terribly likely to encounter a foe who is going to get philosophical about the size of the entrance wound they experience. Rather, they are likely to perceive that they have been shot and change their priorities accordingly.

But for those whose hearts and minds are not penetrated by secondary firearms, they are more likely to be changed by volume of fire. Hence, if you are going to miss (and miss you will given range, adrenaline, dust and the fact that you are not Johnny Rico on Klendathu) you are better served to miss often and loudly. With that in mind, I would rather miss 30 times with a 9 mm in the hopes that the enemy will decide to seek out someone with a different MOS and use the saved ammunition weight for more water.


Note: Edited to add a "t". See if you can find the change, it's fun!
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Hey. I got both movie references.
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LTC Paul Labrador
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But them 10mm exploding tip, caseless rounds are the bomb!
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SGT Donna Millar
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Only reason I can see to change would be something you mentioned and that is weight. Those sidearms that are currently issued are heavy. Your points are accurate, you’re likely to miss regardless of what you are shooting at. For those reasons, I’d be looking for a smaller frame weapon, lighter weight with lighter ammo to keep the weight down.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Something for the more game savvy crowd, maybe?
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca why not a Harry Potter wand?
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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To quote Bruce Willis from the first "Die Hard", "Whoops, no bullets"

The Harry Potter wand does have its advantages in that your standard sidearm can't cast a spell on you enemy causing them to suddenly burst into flames or disappear, both of which would be cool.

But if you look at the list its a pretty even match up

http://www.hypable.com/harry-potter/list-of-spells/
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca my bad..yes you did reply already, though not a real gun yet....
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca I heard they coming out with some Harry Potter mini-stories now....
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