Posted on Jul 6, 2016
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I find myself asking this question quite often. Did we miss something? Should anything be added to ensure the continued freedom and sovereignty of the individual?
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CPT Jack Durish
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I wouldn't add a thing because I don't think it would matter. However written, the progressive Left would reinterpret it to mean something completely different than the spirit and intent of the document, much like they have already done.
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while true that people tend to pervert the document's intentions, I would argue that we still have many rights afforded to us today that would not be present without its creation.
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TSgt (Join to see) - Irrelevant.

That like being mugged and then arguing that we should be grateful that the robbers only stole 1/2 of our money.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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To enact Civil or Criminal Punishment, the Plaintiff or Prosecution (resp.) must show actual (as opposed to theoretical) physical or financial harm to a real Person or People.

It is insufficient to show that someone else's Rights "may have" been breached. They must show they "were" breached in some fashion.
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This is a brilliant response.
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SSgt James Atkinson
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It may seemed a bit old fashion, but I think that there needs to be an amendment that upon reaching the age of 16, all persons shall be liable to service in the U.S. Miltary, and shall be legally required to attend 13 weeks of infantry training in addition to bootcamp, and to serve no less than two continuous years on active duty before the age of 21, or be ejected from the United States upon their 21st birthday. Also, that no college or entity of education, school, or social service of the United States or of any state or private entity shall provide any sort of education whatsoever to any person who is 18 years of age or old she has not yet attended boot camps and their initial 90 days of infantry training, nor shall any form of any kind of license of any sort be granted by anybody to anybody until such time as the required boot camps and infantry training is completed. Tons of individual rights, all protected, once you enlist, and if a person is really sharp, they will enlist on their 16th birthday and have the required training and service completed on their 18th birthday. Then, once they have a DD-214 in hand that shows 2 years of service (including boot camps and infantry training), the get a full ride scholarship to any state-operated school, college, or university to include a waiver or tuition, books, and fees.

I would also put forth an amendment that all textbooks, reference materials, and related instructional devices used in an federal or state school be written and published by the U.S. Military, and not by private publishers, and rather the federal government woudl publish all fo these free of carges in various formats, but only in English.

Oh, yeah, one other amendment. All U.S. Citizens, who are not prohibited under 18 USC 922 are legally required to be armed in their homes, and to carry arms upon their person at all times, and in all places.

OK, four Amendments... That the Constitution and the Bill of Rights shall be taught in all public schools and college, and that no person be allowed to advance in school beyond the age of 16 until they can pass an essay-based examination on both the Constitution and Amendments, with at least 25 essay questions given between the ages of 15 and 16.

Five, ok, I will limit it to five. The teaching at all public schools, starting in the first grade, shall include courses of instruction of military topics and discipline (that is age appropriate), and that in order to pass the eighth grade the student has to be able to shoot as an expert marksman with a military pistol and a military rifle with open sights, then to pass to the next grade in school to continue to shoot to the level "of at least" expert marksman, and in order to graduate high school or college, but be able to not only shoot, but to march, hump-a-ruck, and know how to make their own beds.

Ok, ok, Six, I promise this is the last one, no seriously, totally the last. No person shall be considered for, appointed to, or in any ways promoted to either the rank of an NCO or commissioned officer until they have fully completed least four continuous years of active duty military service, and also (for both NCI and regular officers) to have completed a four-year college education, and to arrange things so that during a four-year stint in the military a four-year degree can be started and completed.

Seven (seriously, it will be the last one), all public servants, in any government position, for the federal government, state, county, paid or unpaid must have no less that 4 years of active duty military service. This would include anybody who runs for any office, any officer, at any level or position.
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MAJ Carl Ballinger - Yes, I would place the requirement of individual military service directly into an Amendment, and then pivot other limitations around the new Amendment regarding mandatory military training and service as a condition of not merely citizenship, but also the pivotal point of all government benefits of any kind, and when a person was not suited for military service due to medical or mental disabilities, to provide suitable accommodations to their disabilities on an individual basis, so that they would still perform military service, just in line with their disabilities.

I hold that if had been enough time prior to 1791 that Congress would have included the mandatory military service of everybody into the Constitution, but they also would have put right into the body of the Consitution itself the first ten amendments.

From a historical basis, there seems to have been a mad dash to get the Consitution written up and signed as a replacement for the Articles of Confederation, and even though the first ten ammendments were discussed in great detail at the time, the initial panic was to form "a more perfect union" as the country was fallign apart at the seems, and it was essentially written to help hold everythign together, and once that was done, the fifteen original amendment were reduced to 9, plus one. Then one those 10 were in place, Congress used it (the Consitution and Amendments) as the pivot place for the three Militia Acts of 1792 and 1795. The only wrinkles, was that because there was no requirement in the Constitution for individual military obligation and individual service, the Militia fell apart faster than the ink could dry in 1792 and 1795, and by 1812 things were a mess, as a huge percentage of the population evaded military service.

There should have been a requirement for individual military service placed in the unamended Constitution, and not left as a matter of future addition.
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SFC Zach K - Ah, but there is a variable in this requirement for national service that I have not yet mentioned.

The U.S. Army would combine the military training taught in boot camp across all branches of the Armed Forces and include everything taught in boot camps of the Marines, the Navy, and the Air Force and draw it into "the Army" standard of training, and this initial training would equal or exceed the entry level training each of these branches, but only the Army, and then all infantry training that take place after boot camp would build on what was learned in boot camp, and then raise the standards overall, so that the level of training each recruit received between boot camp and infantry school woudl give then the foundations skill for immediate deployment into a combat zone (if such was needed).

I would require all entry level traingn not merley be done for that initial 2 year Army commitment, but after the commitment was completed, allow the soldiers to be recruited into more specialized part of the military, such as the Navy, Marines, and Air Force, but the first two years life of anybody's military career would be in the U.S. Army and in the foot and boot infantry, and no other service.

For the "professional soldiers" who opted for an enlistement of longer terms, they woudl still spend the first two years as infantry Army, but could be recruited by the other services, each service would then have a more intense training program based in the nature of that branch, and then extensive training by means of shared skill source schools.

I would park 5% of the U.S. population in mandatory infantry training , within 90 days of it being enacted, and require a return to active duty of any veteran in the event of war or potential war, insurrection, invasion. This 5% would be the core career military, the remainder would be 2 year enlistments who could be left on active duty
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