Posted on Jun 25, 2014
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An E-6 accepts WIC because his base pay is $38,000 and "qualifies". But after BAS and BAH actually makes roughly $70,000. Is this right?

WIC: Women, Infants, and Children

WIC is a federally funded program that provides healthy supplemental foods and nutrition counseling for pregnant women, new mothers, infants and children under age five. WIC serves over 9.1 million women, infants and children through over 10,000 clinics nationwide.

For a household of four (4) in Maryland, you qualify if your income is less than:

Annually: $44,123

Why do I think it is BS that an active duty E-6 (10 years) with two children (under five) and an unemployed wife qualify for WIC in Maryland?

BAH, BAS, and tax advantages are not factored into the equation of qualifying for the program. Granted, the base salary for this guy is $38,307.60 per annum, he is given $3,900.48 worth of Basic Allowance for Subsistence (BAS) and $26,604.00 of Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH), with a tax advantage of $5,083.59 because BAS and BAH are non-taxable income.

Total military compensation as calculated by the Office of the Secretary of Defense’s website, $73,895.67.

Quote by this TSgt: "I deserve it just as much as anyone else who uses it."
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I am SFC with 13yrs in the military (go look up my pay), I have 5 children at home and a spouse who has a full time NONPAYING job. The next ignorant person who makes another asinine comment about a stay at home parent CHOOSING to not work will only further demonstrate how UNPREPARED for leadership they truly are. Raising a family, no matter the size, is a difficult and daunting task. Do not judge others until you have walked in their shoes. My spouse chooses to stay at home because her presence enhances the lives of our children and allows me to focus on my career as the primary breadwinner. My spouse runs the house on her own, getting kids to 3 different schools (elementary, middle, high school) while caring for our 2 little ones that are under 5. She has ZERO support from ANYONE, especially now that I am deployed. She does all of that without being compensated, financially. If the government will provide assistance, you can bet I will be their to collect all that I am eligible for. We receive WIC but turned down the $7 in food stamps we were eligible for. You don't see all these corporations turning down their government benefits. If you really feel the need to point out an injustice in the world, why not focus on the wasteful spending the defense department does by giving the commissary a $1.4 BILLION dollar subsidy so they can have the privilege of providing over-priced products. My family saves over $25 using the local supermarket (HEB) and Wal-mart versus buying from the commissary. And the commissary often doesn't even carry the WIC items we are authorized to purchase. You have no idea of the minute details of that servicemember's life that led them to where they are today. SSG Robert Burns is 100% correct, WIC offers very little, but it helps. BAS and BAH are not pay, they are allowances, stop comparing what the military receives to what civilians receive, they don't have the same level of risk every single day they go to work. Military compensation will NEVER reach a level that is commensurate with what we are asked to do, but we don't do it for the money. Maybe this E6 is supporting his extended family back home in another country? Maybe he is an alcoholic?

Bottom line? If you don't like how the system works, don't rail against the recipients, GO FIX THE SYSTEM! Run for office, make a difference, educate yourself about policies and who is voting for what.

(Did I forget to mention this a touchy subject for me?)
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ding ding ding....we have a winner. Guessing people don't realize what a stay at home mom endures for no pay. Betcha your wife would like to have adult conversations during the day too.
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SFC (Join to see) you are so very right! She always talks about how she enjoys going to post because at least there random militate spouses will talk to her. In Temple, if you are not a local them they tend to ignore you.
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1SG (Join to see) having been a former Army spouse I totally relate. When my daughter was an infant, I had difficulties working, top that with a deployed spouse and a 11 yr old son in Boy Scouts and Marching Band and it was near difficult. WIC was a big relief to us then.

I have learned to never judge because there are so many of us who are but one major life event away from almost total ruin. Thank you for sharing your story and please thank your wife for her support. Thank you for protecting our freedoms!
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Sgt Gus Laskaris I respect that you have your opinion, however I completely disagree with your opinion and your condescending tone.
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Here is why you are NOT wrong to be upset about it:
1) This was not who this program was designed for. WIC's stated mission is to "safeguard the health of low-income women, infants, and children up to age 5 who are at nutritional risk." Meaning people who do not have the funds to provide adequate food for their families. When people complain about the shear dollars going into "entitlement" programs, this guy has his thumb on the scale. When he and people like him, cause these programs to be cut by 10, 20, 25%, he can shrug because he didn't *really* need the money anyway (unless...see #3). Meanwhile, across town, another family is standing in line at the church soup kitchen.

2) I am sick to death of people talk about how they saw the person a head of them in line at the grocery store pay for a handful of items with WIC and then proceed to run up a second order of groceries totaling $200+ then drive away in a car newer than theirs. For people who care about these programs and the families they are intended to serve, it is important to point out these loopholes. We are hemorrhaging money as a nation and misdirected/misguided/misused social programs become a lightening rod for those seeking to eliminate social programs altogether.

3) The bigger concern I have is that WIC (in many states) asks you to disclose all savings and will DQ you until you spend your savings. So after 10 years, this guy has nothing saved up? I am suspicious that his situation is, in fact, more serious than he is letting on and that his remarks about deserving it as much as anyone is deflection. Is he up to his eyeballs in debt, does he have a sick parent, struggling with an out-of-state mortgage, what's wrong? He isn't in your chain, but I would be concerned that there is something going on here. If I knew his leadership, I might mention the issue but in terms of concern about his family and I would drop any mention of your opinion of his morality.
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SSG Robert Burns
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Do you know the nutritional needs of his children? Are they special needs kids? Did the mother disclose how many miscarriages she had to him? Does she have a eating disorder and we are concerned about the health of her kids she is breast feeding? Is she 19 years old and not educated on proper nutritional supplementation?
2. Im sick to death about people who talk about the person ahead of them in line and judging their whole life based off of what they saw for a few seconds. You don't even know if that is that persons vehicle or if they don't even have a vehicle and had to borrow it. You don't know what they paid for the vehicle. I drive a $79,000 Cadillac Escalade. You don't know that I paid less than $25,000 for it. As a matter of fact you don't know anything about me. All you know is that I am a father who is standing in line to get some healthy nutritional food for his kids and his pregnant wife totaling less than $30 a month.
$30. We are talking about $30. Not hundreds and hundreds of dollars. We are talking about non fat milk, a block of cheese, bland cereal, beans and eggs.
3. No he probably does not have anything saved up as is usually the case with most Jr. Enlisted Soldiers with families because they are living paycheck to pay check.
If the government was offering FREE assistance to alcoholics to get better to people would we say they don't deserve it because they make too much? Or would we be more focused on that there is a person who needs help and is getting help? WIC is based off of nutritional need/assistance. Those who receive it need it based off of what the government who supplies it has defined as meeting the parameters of that need. And that includes NOT including non taxable income/allowances like BAH and BAS.
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MSgt Bj Jones
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Good observations SSG Robert Burns , with a few notes: If she's an RN at 19, she must've either graduated early from High School or done the 2-year RN program that some states have. Nurses are given nutritional education as part of the nursing curriculum. My Mum was an LPN, and my brother is an RN, BSN, and may also be MSN, but I'm not sure about the MSN part. As to offering free assistance to alcoholics, that is another area I have a bit of heartburn with. Having children is great and the natural order of things. I have no problems with assisting those who truly need it, and those kids did not ask to be conceived and born. The alcoholic, on the other hand, made some bad choices, and yet somehow should be given free money or whatever to help him/herself out of the bad choices? In some cases, alcoholics and drug addicts get rehabilitated only to go right back into the patterns that got them sunk so low to begin with. Yes, I've seen this happen. Maybe the first go round, I can accept the idea of "free" to help such folks, but when they repeatedly go back making poor decisions and falling into their alcohol/drug addictions, well, I'm somewhat more reluctant to agree to them getting free assistance. I'd rather see my tax dollars go to help respectable, responsible families in need than folks who made and continue to make bad decisions.
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I guess the government never thought of that. Thank God they have you to point that out to them. The bottom line is whether you think he deserves it or not is irrelevant. The government set a standard and he meets the standard.
A mother staying home with 2 children is not unemployed. She has 2 full time jobs that don't pay anything.
I don't know if you have children or not, but raising a family of 4 on a single income, E6 or E2 is not easy.
How much does it costs annually for a 3 or 4 bedroom house annually in Maryland? Why are you upset that someone is getting the assistance that they need to take care of their family. Or is it you live in his house and you know better than he does if his family needs it or not.
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Well, he's in the same BAH area as me and I pay $2,200 a month for my 3 bedroom townhouse. I have two children and currently my wife is unemployed. Trhe requiremt is under $44K per annum, but he makes $73K. Hmmm, and his wife is an RN but chooses not to work. It's a choice to use the system in their favor when clearly they should not be reaping such privileges.
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SSG Robert Burns
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His wife is working. She's just not getting paid to do so. She has chosen to work. So the house you live in cost more than the BAH he receives which is also supposed to supplement utilities. Yet somehow you still want to count the "income" which it is not, it is an allowance against him even though he likely isn't even breaking even on it. What basis do you use to determine they should not be reaping such benefits that you don't think the government already has considered when passing the law?
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Well I guess I'm alone on this one. This airman is NOT in my unit or even at my base. He's an acquaintance and I was shocked to learn this. I kept my opinions to myself and opted to avoid names or bringing up the issues and instead, solicited input via this venue. I just disagree that someone making roughly $73K should be afforded WIC. I'll paddle this boat solo, won't be the first time.
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