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I'll try and keep it short and simple.
PCS'd from Benning to Wainwright. My losing unit was disbanded. I had Permissive TDY worked out in my leave packet before I left Benning. Reported to the wainwright MPD and the post housing 10 days prior to my report date. They said they cannot grant me PTDY, it had to come from my gaining unit. So I signed in and started in processing. The day I got to my new unit I explained my housing situation and requested PTDY. 1SG signed off on it and said he'll take it to the commander. The commander said no. At this time I was utilizing TLA living in temp lodging with my pregnant wife, son and dog. I fought hard but still lost after a day of discussion. So I proceeded to find a home to buy. Found a home, put the offer in, blah blah now the closing date is June 13th, house hold goods on the 14th, and 2nd child is due on July 1st. My platoon leader talked me into accepting that I would be denied that PTDY, with a promise that he would RESUBMIT the PTDY request when we were getting ready to move in, so I could "set up the home" especially since my wife will be due less than 3 weeks later. It's crucial the home is set up for that second child.
If the C.O denies it again, I'm talking to our SCO about it. I know this will leave a bad taste in the leaderships mouths about me, but I need to take care of my family. Any advice out there?? Thank you. - SPC V
PCS'd from Benning to Wainwright. My losing unit was disbanded. I had Permissive TDY worked out in my leave packet before I left Benning. Reported to the wainwright MPD and the post housing 10 days prior to my report date. They said they cannot grant me PTDY, it had to come from my gaining unit. So I signed in and started in processing. The day I got to my new unit I explained my housing situation and requested PTDY. 1SG signed off on it and said he'll take it to the commander. The commander said no. At this time I was utilizing TLA living in temp lodging with my pregnant wife, son and dog. I fought hard but still lost after a day of discussion. So I proceeded to find a home to buy. Found a home, put the offer in, blah blah now the closing date is June 13th, house hold goods on the 14th, and 2nd child is due on July 1st. My platoon leader talked me into accepting that I would be denied that PTDY, with a promise that he would RESUBMIT the PTDY request when we were getting ready to move in, so I could "set up the home" especially since my wife will be due less than 3 weeks later. It's crucial the home is set up for that second child.
If the C.O denies it again, I'm talking to our SCO about it. I know this will leave a bad taste in the leaderships mouths about me, but I need to take care of my family. Any advice out there?? Thank you. - SPC V
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I read through all the responses and have another viewpoint. It's my understanding that PTDY is non-chargeable leave granted to the SM not only for house-hunting but receiving and unpacking household goods. Since Alaska is about as far away as a PCS can take you, do you think the Command is "sand-bagging" a few days for you for when your Stuff arrives? Are you and your family currently set-up in Army Temp housing?
When I got Stationed in Hawaii, I was lucky enough to be able to take more than my 10 days due to all the logistics involved in an "overseas" move. No it wasn't a straight 10+ days. I signed in the day after arriving on Island. We had our Temp Housing the day we arrived. There is no way in hell anyone can do everything in 10 straight days. House-hunting is tough but wouldn't you want to talk to some people to know where the "unsavory" areas are at? There's LOTSA things to do in a move of your nature. Trust me, I KNOW. Half a day here and there eats up a lot of time. You probably shipped a POV. There's a day by itself getting the thing. When your household goods arrive, wouldn't you like a few days to unpack and set up the place?
I'm kinda thinking the Command is actually looking out for you in the long run. That is as long as they let you book out to take care of stuff as events natural progress. They've done this shit before, have you?
Edited ~ I re-read your situation and the dates clicked. I would suggest that you identify those Hard-Times to your 1SG. You didn't specify the PTDY dates you requested in your original post. The only thing non-negotiable in your situation is communication. Make sure your FLL and NCO channel up to the 1SG knows what's shaking. NCO's are not normally heartless bastards. We've all been there before and know your plight.
When I got Stationed in Hawaii, I was lucky enough to be able to take more than my 10 days due to all the logistics involved in an "overseas" move. No it wasn't a straight 10+ days. I signed in the day after arriving on Island. We had our Temp Housing the day we arrived. There is no way in hell anyone can do everything in 10 straight days. House-hunting is tough but wouldn't you want to talk to some people to know where the "unsavory" areas are at? There's LOTSA things to do in a move of your nature. Trust me, I KNOW. Half a day here and there eats up a lot of time. You probably shipped a POV. There's a day by itself getting the thing. When your household goods arrive, wouldn't you like a few days to unpack and set up the place?
I'm kinda thinking the Command is actually looking out for you in the long run. That is as long as they let you book out to take care of stuff as events natural progress. They've done this shit before, have you?
Edited ~ I re-read your situation and the dates clicked. I would suggest that you identify those Hard-Times to your 1SG. You didn't specify the PTDY dates you requested in your original post. The only thing non-negotiable in your situation is communication. Make sure your FLL and NCO channel up to the 1SG knows what's shaking. NCO's are not normally heartless bastards. We've all been there before and know your plight.
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MSG Pat Colby
SGT (Join to see) - Isn't it fun living in a "hotel"? *groan*
I edited my initial reply btw....
Your Commander knows more than you are giving him credit for. I'm fairly confident that all concerned will appropriately take care of you. They aren't going to send you to the Field while your HHG's are being delivered. GRATZ on the new Kidlette! Make sure you have a DA31 at the Ready for that event!
I edited my initial reply btw....
Your Commander knows more than you are giving him credit for. I'm fairly confident that all concerned will appropriately take care of you. They aren't going to send you to the Field while your HHG's are being delivered. GRATZ on the new Kidlette! Make sure you have a DA31 at the Ready for that event!
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I work in the finance office at Ft.Wainwright, AK.
To even be authorized, PTDY must be annotated in the remarks (block 17) on the DA31, and must have a least a LTC signature in block 13. (Or CPT w/assumption of CMD letter)
When you arrive to FWA, you must report to housing for validation. Housing must stamp your leave form (the one you signed out of last duty location with, Block 14 filled in) for you to receive the PTDY enroute.
PTDY is 10 days, non-chargeable leave, for house hunting. SM's either don't read their orders, don't follow the directions for PTDY, or choose NOT to take it upon arrival.
Most individuals choose to forgo the PTDY enroute and ask new command for it later b/c entitlements do not start until you sign in. Alaska is expensive, and TLA, BAH, and COLA are worth more than "free" leave (just like being on vacay in Alaska) Post Housing usually has a wait here, and people choose to sign in to get placed on the wait list, and start their entitlements for the above.
If you have pay issues, you can obtain a pay inquiry (from S-1, or the finance office), fill it out, get it signed, and bring it into the finance office, and we'll answer any pay questions you have.
To even be authorized, PTDY must be annotated in the remarks (block 17) on the DA31, and must have a least a LTC signature in block 13. (Or CPT w/assumption of CMD letter)
When you arrive to FWA, you must report to housing for validation. Housing must stamp your leave form (the one you signed out of last duty location with, Block 14 filled in) for you to receive the PTDY enroute.
PTDY is 10 days, non-chargeable leave, for house hunting. SM's either don't read their orders, don't follow the directions for PTDY, or choose NOT to take it upon arrival.
Most individuals choose to forgo the PTDY enroute and ask new command for it later b/c entitlements do not start until you sign in. Alaska is expensive, and TLA, BAH, and COLA are worth more than "free" leave (just like being on vacay in Alaska) Post Housing usually has a wait here, and people choose to sign in to get placed on the wait list, and start their entitlements for the above.
If you have pay issues, you can obtain a pay inquiry (from S-1, or the finance office), fill it out, get it signed, and bring it into the finance office, and we'll answer any pay questions you have.
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Where is your team leader and squad leader? If you were in my squad I'd go to the housing office and confront them not accepting losing commands PMTDY. If their management doesn't rectify and Company echelon doesn't support I'd tell the 1SG go ahead and have the CDR recommend disapproval and I'll schedule appointment with Battalion CSM; because its time to go to BAT. I'll give the Company echelon heads up I'm doing this; it'll be known its not a request it's a courtesy. If BN CDR disapproves I'm going to pull some slick NCO stuff and give you 10 days off anyway in some shape or form. You'll maybe show up for one formation on day one. I'll account for you granted you text me every day at a certain time. If 1SG and Platoon Sergeant "NCO Support Channel" wanna get in my "Chain of Command" business ill throw you on some sort of detail for ten days and talk to the detail NCOIC and just tell them to give you 10 days off. If higher echelons want to push it I'm going to IG and I'm sure after this story its good chance the command isn't going to be viewed favorably. *Public Disclosure, I have never done this and don't encourage other Junior NCO's to do this especially if they don't know what their doing*. =]
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If your losing command didn't authorize PTDY for you, it is a bit of a crap shoot whether gaining unit will. However, usually gaining units don't have heartburn about it unless your request sounds fishy (ie unaccompanied E-4 asking for PTDY for househunting, when all unaccompanied E-4s live in the barracks). Not sure why your CO isn't forwarding this up, unless their hands are tied and you have to complete inprocessing first.
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Thanks for the response sir. It was in fact approved by my losing command (O-5) so I don't know where the disconnect is. And why I'm not getting the PTDY.
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A very common mistake made is that PTDY is awarded by the Command that you are leaving not the Command you are going to. PCSing with leave and having PTDY included means you will take the PTDY at the LOSING station to wrap up household issues. You report to the new new unit on or before the end of the total leave, and you are not charged the PTDY days.
You do not instantly get PTDY at the new station.
Many posts like Ft Drum, require you to be signed in to the post before you can take PTDY locally. Also, it must be approved by your NEW gaining unit.
PTDY is PERMISSIVE. Period. It is unit Commanders decision if it should be given. Generally it is, as long as you are house hunting, or setting up a house. There are any number of reasons why a Commander can say no, and they are all legit.
Lastly, I would suspect that your Commander is saying no because you have already taken PTDY. (the first 10 days of your leave is PTDY when the losing unit awards it) Since you have taken the PTDY, regardless of the fact you signed in 10 days early, the Commander is probably under the opinion he can not award PTDY twice.
I suggest you read the Leaves and Passes Regulation and get familiar with the verbiage. Ask to talk to the Commander or 1SG and explain that you would gladly resubmit your old leave form to reflect all chargeable leave, and submit a new one reflecting PTDY at your current station.
You do not instantly get PTDY at the new station.
Many posts like Ft Drum, require you to be signed in to the post before you can take PTDY locally. Also, it must be approved by your NEW gaining unit.
PTDY is PERMISSIVE. Period. It is unit Commanders decision if it should be given. Generally it is, as long as you are house hunting, or setting up a house. There are any number of reasons why a Commander can say no, and they are all legit.
Lastly, I would suspect that your Commander is saying no because you have already taken PTDY. (the first 10 days of your leave is PTDY when the losing unit awards it) Since you have taken the PTDY, regardless of the fact you signed in 10 days early, the Commander is probably under the opinion he can not award PTDY twice.
I suggest you read the Leaves and Passes Regulation and get familiar with the verbiage. Ask to talk to the Commander or 1SG and explain that you would gladly resubmit your old leave form to reflect all chargeable leave, and submit a new one reflecting PTDY at your current station.
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Had to add, if you were not charged for the 10 days you took already, why not submit regular leave for 10 days. No harm no foul. If you were charged the full time you were on leave, then you are back to the Command does not really have to give it to you. Which is unfortunate.
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SGM Joel Cook
I had a bad experience as a SFC with the local policy about no PTDY until completely inprocessed, when I signed in to Fort Drum in 1993 with my wife and two kids age 9 and 6 YOA. I moved into the Guest house, inprocessed post, got my CIF issue. My Battalion was 100% deployed to Mogadishu, Somalia. I was temp assigned to 2nd Inf BDE for processing. My 10th day on post the BDE S3 called me into his office and ordered me to pack my bags and report back at 0400 the next day for deployment to Somalia. I brought up my concern about the situation of my family in temp housing and not properly situated. To no avail he ordered me to report for deployment. No Sponser was assigned to my family and I was not given time to go to JAG to do a power of attorney for my wife to take care of housing. I spent the next three weeks setting at the Air Force Base about every other day, waiting for a space A seat to open on a cargo plane going to Somalia. I had the third highest priority of 8 to 10 soldiers ordered to fly out. Lucky for my family, no space ever opened up. Out of the blue the post commander said no more space A standbys because to many man hours were being wasted. Long story short the Command element at Fort Drum cared more about getting soldiers deployed than taking care of newly arrived soldier's families.
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