Posted on May 29, 2016
CW5 Andrew J. Foreman
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SSG Gerhard S.
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Yes, and one might suggest the uniform possessed by those on post should more than qualify as a "permit" either on, or off post
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In general I agree with the your theory; however, one of the most important parts of the carry classes (at least in my state) is understanding the laws, which unfortunately change every time you cross a state line. Its not as simple as see a bad guy shoot a bad guy. The class is kind of like the ROE brief you get before a mission. Without it even good people doing the right thing can still get in trouble. Hopefully a federal carry act will finally unify the states' carry laws and make this much simpler. Plus, I've met some soldiers I barely trust to fire IWQ much less carry all the time.
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CW3 Harvey K.
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Frankly, the possession of a state CCW is irrelevant. Military bases are Federal property. No state law has any jurisdiction there. In addition, many states with several large military bases are "may issue" (meaning "no issue") CCW states. I don't think their underhanded suppression of 2nd Amendment rights should have any effect on how the military tends to its business.
There are several states which recognize military service as proof of training in the safe handling of weapons. To have their issuance of a CCW accepted in the military as qualification to carry on-base is a circular reasoning.
I would prefer a Federal law authorizing such arms-carrying, and assure it is not neglected by base commanders.
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SCPO Joshua I
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Find me the requirement for a permit in the second amendment and we can talk.
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CPT Chris Loomis
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I completely agree with you SCPO Joshua A.

We are guaranteed the right to keep and bear arms. There should be no permit required. However, the States retain a right to enact more stringent statutes as long as they do not negate the constitution.

That said, let me take this a step further into discussion:

What if say, you're a Soldier assigned to a MP unit, regularly performing MP functions, but your primary MOS is something like 88M/Transportation. Should your be covered under LEOSA??

Or let's say you're a Coast Guard and your primary duty (MOS) is Port Security. The title is not a variation of "Police Officer" but you are regularly engaged in law enforcement functions. Should you be covered by LEOSA?

Food for thought....

Any input or comments???

V/R,
2LT LOOMIS
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SCPO Joshua I
SCPO Joshua I
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Leosa is unconstitutional. The second amendment says nothing about needing a badge to bear arms. The states do not have the right to violate the Constitution in this or any other matter either.
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CW3 Harvey K.
CW3 Harvey K.
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LEOSA did solve a problem. One of the NYCPD officers I served with told me of how "Yankee cops" would be hassled by the local police when traveling on vacation in southern states while armed. He said the NYC cops returned the the favor if they caught an out-of-state cop carrying in New York. LEOSA ended that nonsense.
Perhaps expanding LEOSA to include us mere "civilians" (in the restricted sense of "non-LEOs") might solve the problem.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
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YES! We are trusted to carry guns in other people's countries.
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SSG Roger Ayscue
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One IS sorta worthless without the other
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