Posted on May 20, 2016
SPC Rory J. Mattheisen
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After numerous Civil Rights movements the people, especially those who claim to be constitutional/foundational loyalists, in America are still struggling with one of the first proclamations made by our founding fathers. The LGBT movement should not be necessary as it is covered by the D.O.I. and the Constitution. I find this to be disturbing, to say the least. What say you?
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SGT David T.
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The equality provisions are not total equality in all things. The equality is referring that everyone is equal under the law and equal to pursue their own vision of the good life. Some laws were written that intentionally were unequal in how they treated different classes of people. Lawmakers brought in emotion and opinion into legislation instead of following principles outlined in the Declaration and the Constitution. A good example of this is the prohibitions against same sex marriages. Regardless of one's opinion on the matter it applied to a secular institution and as such those prohibitions violated the very principles we hold dear. Not only did those prohibitions violate the very notion of equality, but they violated the 1st amendment as well. It is sad that there needs to be civil rights movements because in theory, everyone should be covered in both the letter and the spirit of the founders' intent.
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SGT David T., The best, reasonable response so far. The only disagreement I have is that men were writing this and the women back then, and up until the 20th century were subservient to men.so, I'm not sure, but I don't think women were included in the equality part. IMHO
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SGT David T.
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SGT (Join to see) - They were a product of their times. Had they been writing today, I think they would have used the world people.
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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Exactly what I was attempting to illustrate, SGT David T..
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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Inherently we are only equal in the eyes of God. All of us were dealt different hands in life and some play their hands better. With that said equal opportunity should be sought for, but equal outcome will never happen as life isn't fair.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" - We must think a like.
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CPT John Sheridan
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CPT Mark Gonzalez, in terms of the intent of the founders it means Equal before the law.
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CPT Mark Gonzalez
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CPT John Sheridan - I agree sir and that is a noble intent, but it has become quite obvious that money and the ability to afford good lawyers and influence can beat the intent.
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SFC Jerry Humphries
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Perhaps I can point out a two key words in the statement "Created Equal". This refers to an instant in time. After creation it up to you to become the best you can be or a failure. Our founders recognized that all of us as individuals were unique in our talents and failings. But after that instant of Creation it is up to the indivdual where his life leads.
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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen
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MSG Donald Johnson - Would you care to clarify which information you are attempting to dispute?
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LTC Paul Labrador
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Also remember the system that the infant US was seceding from: a monarchy built on the privilege of the nobility. "All men are created equal" states that there is no inherent superiority of being born "noble," which is the very foundation that countries that had aristocracy were built on. You are not "better" simply because of who your parents were.
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SSG Donald Bramley
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Yes! a monarchy and The Church of England, which is evidency with the landing of the Pilgrins. However, religious battles seems to never end. When Politics is combined with Religion the Men and Women are captives, NOT to own and safeguard their Bodies.
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