Posted on May 17, 2016
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What are the implications of not being able to wear a Pro-Mask while having a beard?

Should Soldiers with dietary needs based on religion receive more BAS to pay for additional food costs?
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SFC Alfredo Garcia
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No and No. I do not wish to sound insensitive but I look at this objectively. This is an all volunteer military. You have the regulations, standards, and expectations before you CHOOSE to join. If they are not acceptable, you do not join.

Military is NOT an equal opportunity career and they explicit permission/reasons to discriminate. For example too old, too short, too young, otherwise physically incapable of accomplishing tasks or missions due to their disabilities. Those were just the physical sides.

A beard for example may interfere with the utilization of a gas mask for instance or are they expected to be provided a modified mask? Or, due to their unique needs, are they to be assigned rear detachment automatically due to the difficulties/challenges this may cause the command? How will this impact the perceptions and morale of the rest of the unit? This means more expenditures, logistical nightmares and more. I applaud that people from all walks of life and beliefs wish to serve their duty but they can wear as they choose off duty. They have vegetarian meals available, even in MRE's. Other choices should be out of pocket. Again, I apologize if I sound like a jerk but we don't assign religions, just missions.
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Cpl John Mathews
Cpl John Mathews
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I guess I am insensitive too. Look up the meaning of the word UNIFORM! It doesn't mean significantly varying from a standard. As others have said, we have a volunteer military, if you can't/won't live up to the regulations then you can find other ways to serve our country that don't require wearing a uniform---CIA, NSA, FBI, or any one of hundreds of federal, state, local, tribal, or territorial agencies.
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Dakota Reed
Dakota Reed
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I am A Christin man myself I admire peoples freedom of religion in this country and that they have the right to practice it to an extent. When you put the uniform on how I see it you represent the Military not you as an individual. Wear A neckless or get A tat if your so set on people physically seeing your religion. I wear A Celtic cross all the time its tight can be hidden not shiny does not get in the way. could be tucked away next to your identification tags. The Military is an origination that you represent you represent them not A church. we don't want people to think we are A religious army America was not founded on that sort of thing it broke away from that sort of thing. hey wear your head dress on your own time. when your A man/women in unformed wear your patrol cap you represent your country and Military nothing more nothing less. that is just my opinion. I am all for God and Country and the person to your left and right. That does not mean I'm going to dress up like the pope in battle rattle. Or on Military time.
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LTC Hardware Test Engineer
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nope. If your religious beliefs prohibit you from adhering to regulations, you should consider another career path.
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SGT David T.
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I am in favor of making accommodations wherever possible. However, said accommodations should not be shouldered at taxpayer expense. Take for instance, the good Captain's headgear in the pic. He should pay for that himself and not be issued it (I know officers buy their own uniforms). Now this can open the door for some very "different" accommodation requests from smaller religious groups. So I think we need to apply some common sense. In the case of Sikhs, a blanket accommodation can be granted for the grooming and alternative headgear as it applies to all Sikhs. In other cases it should be considered on a case by case basis.

As far as the pro-mask goes, I am not sure if the beard will prevent a seal or not. I was always told that it would, but I was told many things during my time in the Army that weren't exactly true. I think if he is willing to accept that risk, then there is no issue. After all, no one is irreplaceable. If he dons a pro-mask during a chem attack, and he dies, the next in line steps up and takes charge. This may sound callous, but if he knows the risks, that's on him.
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SGT David T.
SGT David T.
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TSgt James Emanuel - While I see your point, even the British Empire didn't attempt to make them conform. The military appearance isn't 100% uniform even without the Sikhs. Maternity uniforms, and shaving profiles come to mind.
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SPC Joshua Heath
SPC Joshua Heath
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I've had the mask conversation with CBRN soldiers from multiple countries and civilians that have worn them. It is easy to get a seal with a beard. You have to know how your face will interact with the mask, but all that takes is a bit of training. Otherwise I spot on agree with your point of view.
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TSgt James Emanuel
TSgt James Emanuel
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SGT David T. - Thank you for reminding me. A beard was once a sticking point as pertaining to blacks. Their facial hair caused serious problems with daily shaving. With medical approval, they could let the beard grow, but it had to be neat and trim. Uniforms for maternity are obviously valid medical exemptions. Allowing "religious" headgear is not.
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SGT David T.
SGT David T.
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TSgt James Emanuel - I do see your point. I just don't think we should exclude 500K+ people from service because we ask them to violate one of the most basic tenants of their faith. They simply will not do it. Personally, I could care less if someone shaves as long as they can do the job and do it well. At the end of the day, it comes down to them being able to close with and destroy the enemy.
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