Posted on Apr 21, 2016
CPT Joseph K Murdock
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- The Kurds agreed to fight
- B-52 area bombings are occurring
- Apaches are being brought in
- Special Ops will aid Iraqi leaders
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1LT William Clardy
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Most likely because the odds for success are still just SWAGs, CPT Joseph K Murdock. Besides, when using troops who are green, easily demoralized, and have a reputation for folding up like a lawn chair, any open prediction of likely failure (or even a "hard fight") can become self-fulfilling with one ill-timed reversal.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
CPT Joseph K Murdock
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The Iraqi forces took Ramadi.
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1LT William Clardy
1LT William Clardy
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Unlike a lot of folks, I'm not saying that the locals can't do the job, CPT Joseph K Murdock. I'm just saying that the self-confidence of the Iraqi Army is still very shaky, and it wouldn't take much to start an epidemic of "bug-out" fever -- especially against an enemy with a deserved reputation for ruthlessness as well as a penchant for effective propaganda.

Check out how poorly a unit of the Kenyan Army fared recently against al Shabaab:
https://www.funker530.com/brutal-al-shabaab-raid-wipes-entire-kenyan-army-unit/

(NOTE: The English subtitling, if accurate, says something about what our timeline for success or failure will really be)
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
CPT Joseph K Murdock
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They were shaky at Ramadi and won. They are shaky now and officers and generals have been fired. This time they will know the SF will do much of the coordination of actions, the Kurds will be fighting with them, and US air power will be prevalent. I myself think the Kurds are much more dangerous than ISIS.
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Capt Mark Strobl
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CPT Joseph K Murdock - To paraphrase an old cliché: "Throw enough s*** on the wall, something will stick." Re-taking Mosul is one thing. Maintaining it is another. We have to have two things in order to achieve success here: 1.) Support of the indigenous people; and 2.) a clearly defined political end-state. I am doubtful of either.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
CPT Joseph K Murdock
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The Sunni militias want a piece of them but Iraqi government think they will go too far. This for Mosul, not the imperialistic goals for the whole of Iraq.
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CPT Joseph K Murdock
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My question is will ISIS duke it out or run like they did in Ramadi? That's when the Apaches step in.
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