Posted on Apr 12, 2016
Why are men held to a more restrictive hair grooming standard than women?
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Equality in the Army. Why can't men in the Army grow there hair out as long as it's well groomed? Seeing that woman are equal to men now!
Equality
DA Pam 670-1
Uniforms
Grooming Standards
Women in the Military
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SSG Brian Marshall Bottom line is that it is politically correct for women to be treated as equals to men, but the reverse is not necessarily true. There is no liberal PC push for men to be treated as equals to women.
While I think this whole social engineering crap has gone too far, what's fair is fair. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I don't like the fact that women can pick and choose what to be equal in and what not to be equal in.
Of course, all you really need to do is wake up one day and "feel" that you are a woman, instead of a man. In that way, you can wear what you want, wear your hair however you want, use whatever latrine and shower facility you want, and on and on... and, if anybody says anything to you about it, you can sue them for a trillion dollars. Isn't this country great, or what???
While I think this whole social engineering crap has gone too far, what's fair is fair. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. I don't like the fact that women can pick and choose what to be equal in and what not to be equal in.
Of course, all you really need to do is wake up one day and "feel" that you are a woman, instead of a man. In that way, you can wear what you want, wear your hair however you want, use whatever latrine and shower facility you want, and on and on... and, if anybody says anything to you about it, you can sue them for a trillion dollars. Isn't this country great, or what???
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SSG James Stodola
A1C Melissa Jackson - Apparently she thinks she has a long enough time in the military to actually contribute meaningful commentary
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A1C Melissa Jackson
SSG James Stodola - SSG- so you are suggesting that my time in the military was insufficient to comment on these matters? Tell me SSG- how long does a person need to be on active duty for them to have an opinion in the matters of military life? Does civil service account for having an opinion? If a person has an opinion that jibes with yours is the time in service as important?
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A1C Melissa Jackson
SP5 Christine Conley
I worked in the civil service as a counselor that specializes in the care and life planning for veterans who have become disabled as a result of their service. I did that for a number of years. Not only did is SERVE HONORABLY- and thus am a veteran- but I served disabled veterans for a NUMBER of years. In addition to this I am a born and bred American citizen whose right to converse on any topic I would like is irrefutable. I am 100% disabled as a result of my "short" service, and I fought and struggled with my disabilities for MANY years trying to deny them because I was not raised to lay back and give in, and my HONORABLE service reinforced that attitude. I am finally fairly content and calm most of the time. My pain is greatly-reduced by proper treatment. My quality of life has soared since I finally reached out for assistance. Funny- I loved and served my veterans with ferocious protectiveness- put my job on the line to bitch out administrators when one of MY veterans was not getting a fair shake- ultimately had to retire at a much too-young age, and this dip sh*t has the gall to suggest I have no business having an opinion or joining in conversation in this forum while another jerk tries to say I am not a "professional"
I have largely backed away from Rally Point in the last few weeks because it seems to consist mainly of disgruntled, angry, and over- aggressive jack asses. I don't need that crap. My garden needs me.
I worked in the civil service as a counselor that specializes in the care and life planning for veterans who have become disabled as a result of their service. I did that for a number of years. Not only did is SERVE HONORABLY- and thus am a veteran- but I served disabled veterans for a NUMBER of years. In addition to this I am a born and bred American citizen whose right to converse on any topic I would like is irrefutable. I am 100% disabled as a result of my "short" service, and I fought and struggled with my disabilities for MANY years trying to deny them because I was not raised to lay back and give in, and my HONORABLE service reinforced that attitude. I am finally fairly content and calm most of the time. My pain is greatly-reduced by proper treatment. My quality of life has soared since I finally reached out for assistance. Funny- I loved and served my veterans with ferocious protectiveness- put my job on the line to bitch out administrators when one of MY veterans was not getting a fair shake- ultimately had to retire at a much too-young age, and this dip sh*t has the gall to suggest I have no business having an opinion or joining in conversation in this forum while another jerk tries to say I am not a "professional"
I have largely backed away from Rally Point in the last few weeks because it seems to consist mainly of disgruntled, angry, and over- aggressive jack asses. I don't need that crap. My garden needs me.
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A1C Melissa Jackson
SP5 Christine Conley - STOLEN FERNS? Dear lord what were you thinking? You must go mist them and pet them immediately!!! ;D
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Looking at your profile picture i don't think you are able to grow any hair.
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CPT Pedro Meza
One more thing, scalp blow from the Specialist Mafia, just leave my retirement pay alone please!
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CPT Pedro Meza
SGT Laura Delgadillo - You didn't hit a nerve cause it looks more like some Gal grab from both side as set him straight.
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I actually think that equality is the way to go on this. I've said that before around here. Same uniforms same hair regs and grooming standards, options for makeup and jewelry the same, etc.
Start with combat requirements, add in some tradition and judgement and then let it ride for all.
Whether it be the current "male" or current "female" standards that are authorized for all, or something in the middle, they should all be the same. Same standards, same conditions, equality.
This also conveniently sidesteps any issues with the trans community.
Start with combat requirements, add in some tradition and judgement and then let it ride for all.
Whether it be the current "male" or current "female" standards that are authorized for all, or something in the middle, they should all be the same. Same standards, same conditions, equality.
This also conveniently sidesteps any issues with the trans community.
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Sgt (Join to see)
Sir, you know it's all about keeping a professional apearance. The military is a reflection of the society it comes from, and (like all societies past and present) there are different sets of criteria for male and female appearances. That's just life. Military grooming regulations pretty much parallel what you would want at a job interview. A woman with a high-and-tight is just not going to make that good impression. Likewise, a man with a flapper-helmet is going to invite some negative comparisons. Also, have you seen the attempts to put females into male-style dress-blues? They look fucking aweful. Men and women are shaped differently, so men's clothes tend to accentuate the shoulders, while women's clothes accentuate the hips.
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Capt Richard I P.
Sgt (Join to see) I'll grant to a minor extent we reflect our origin societies, albeit with a 50-200 year lag in fashion for service and dress uniforms. Our cammies and frogsuits, mercifully, follow no such absurd compunctions. As to your point on past failed attempts of uniform merges (likely not done it good faith): tailors exist. Clothes can be re-cut from standards to fit appropriately, but female Marines' dress uniforms currently look more like flight attendants of old than they do their male counterparts, and that is a wedge among the others that drive us apart based on irrelevant things. Finally: We are not in the business of interviewing for jobs. The military is in the business of violence, uniformity and simplicity helps to emphasize that, departures detract from it. These principles can be applied to dress and service uniforms. This is solveable.
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SFC (Join to see)
Capt Richard I P. - Won't that be cute, all the different ways we can put our hair up, so the enemy can't get a hold of it during combatives. I can think of a lot better ways to spend tax payer time, than getting our hair done. Cut it all off and be done with it. And, if the women can't handle the loss of "individual expression" in the process, guess what, it's not about you, so get the hell out!!!
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Capt Richard I P.
SFC (Join to see) Sure, I could be convinced to go that way too. So long as it's one standard for all, and actually a standard based on combat rather than out of date fashions. "Hair (and beards) will be cropped such that no grip can be gained by an opponent's hand" sounds like a good standard to me. Maybe with waivers available for COIN or population purposes.
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