Posted on Dec 2, 2015
Repealing Obamacare, it must be an election cycle! Is this just political posturing and we are spinning our wheels?
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Here we go again....
The GOP is once again poised to submit legislation to repeal Obamacare, even though they all know it's another exercise in futility. How many tens of MILLIONS of dollars has been wasted trying to repeal something they know the President will veto almost instantly? How many people we be affected due to many in the GOP that attach spending programs to the repeal legislation (drug abuse programs in Ohio, being one of them) and how many people are they willing to leave "out in the cold" because they won't have anything?
To be fair, I know that Obamacare sucks on a lot of levels and many people haven't gotten the coverage they were expecting but what would the GOP replace that coverage with? Isn't a little bit of something better than a whole lot of nothing?
Here we go again....
The GOP is once again poised to submit legislation to repeal Obamacare, even though they all know it's another exercise in futility. How many tens of MILLIONS of dollars has been wasted trying to repeal something they know the President will veto almost instantly? How many people we be affected due to many in the GOP that attach spending programs to the repeal legislation (drug abuse programs in Ohio, being one of them) and how many people are they willing to leave "out in the cold" because they won't have anything?
To be fair, I know that Obamacare sucks on a lot of levels and many people haven't gotten the coverage they were expecting but what would the GOP replace that coverage with? Isn't a little bit of something better than a whole lot of nothing?
Posted 9 y ago
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It's "bad law." As in badly constructed. Why should we tolerate bad law?
Bad law is not good for the health of the Nation. Yes, it may help "some" People, however, it will most definitely harm "some" People as well.
Bad law is not good for the health of the Nation. Yes, it may help "some" People, however, it will most definitely harm "some" People as well.
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SSG (Join to see)
Going from a terrible situation to a bad situation is still an improvement. What we should do is provide Medicare for all Americans and then allow the Insurance companies to provide supplemental coverage.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Cpl Joe Koenig - I'm going to key in on a specific line:
"I for one have no desire to finance some CEO who is profiting off of people dying."
The PPACA does specifically that. Health Insurance in the US is "Corporation" based. CEOs are profiteering off of people dying. The PPACA didn't change any of that. It didn't change how Health Insurance companies profit, except that now YOU MUST have health insurance, therefore they make MORE PROFITS.
The PPACA is a PREDATORY law. The American People are the product and we were sold to the Insurance Companies. Your so-called "right to healthcare" was the right to have your income taken by a PRIVATE entity, and if you don't like that, you can have it fined by the government instead.
"I for one have no desire to finance some CEO who is profiting off of people dying."
The PPACA does specifically that. Health Insurance in the US is "Corporation" based. CEOs are profiteering off of people dying. The PPACA didn't change any of that. It didn't change how Health Insurance companies profit, except that now YOU MUST have health insurance, therefore they make MORE PROFITS.
The PPACA is a PREDATORY law. The American People are the product and we were sold to the Insurance Companies. Your so-called "right to healthcare" was the right to have your income taken by a PRIVATE entity, and if you don't like that, you can have it fined by the government instead.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
Cpl Joe Koenig - No. You give it a rest. I had insurance before the PPACA was passed. I worked for it. I paid for it. The PPACA caused actual financial harm to me, and others like me. It was badly constructed law that caused second and third order effects beyond the "theoretical social good." The nice part about Free Speech is the ability to Protest vocally when you think things are jacked up. If you think things are all hunky dory with the PPACA, good for you. Enjoy it. I however have watched prices increase, and standard of care decrease, and I DON'T have to remain silent about that.
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It's weird how the ACA was beloved by Republicans when Romney first presented it years ago...
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LTC Kevin B.
Very true. In fact, the individual mandate to purchase insurance, reformed health insurance marketplaces (today's exchanges), and government support payments/vouchers (today's subsidies) were all components of the various GOP plans, from the early 1990s until as late as 2010. These plans were even supported by prominent Republicans like Rep. Paul Ryan and Sen. Tom Coburn, even as late as after the Democrats adopted them as components of the Affordable Care Act. Three GOP Presidential nominees also supported the main components of this reform plan (Dole, McCain, and Romney).
I find the PPACA to be a perfect example of bipartisanship. The GOP invented it, and the Democrats enacted it.
I find the PPACA to be a perfect example of bipartisanship. The GOP invented it, and the Democrats enacted it.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
I am don't give a crap how the health insurance came about. I am sure the Republicans agreed with the Democrats on let's give the poor health insurance and we will help pay for it. Then, since this is what the Democrats wanted (to have support) they did there own adding and as Polosiki said--read about it after it is law. Everybody has to have insurance or pay a fine. ( BIG cheers from the insurance companies). You can keep your doctor--big lie. Insurance will be affordable--big lie. We will help you pay for your insurance. I.E. $200.00/ month. $2,400 a year. That $2,400 is considered income so, it is taxable. Since you made $2,400 more dollars in 2015 you are NOT qualified under the program. I know there is more than one way to skin a cat and now I know another way to get F###! I have a letter from the VA stating I have insurance and Have to send it in with my income tax. Now, if they say that insurance is worth ---------- amount of money and I get taxed on it, there will be a lot of Vets that are PO. So much for what ever you want to call this Screwing America.
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SSG Michael Hartsfield
I disagree. I think it SHOULD be repealed. I have seen many people's health care costs increase because of it.
I disagree. I think it SHOULD be repealed. I have seen many people's health care costs increase because of it.
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PO1 John Miller
SSG Michael Hartsfield and SSG John Thornton
Both of you fail to realize that Medicaid existed before Obama Care and that was my point. You also don't acknowledge that many people simply do not WANT health insurance, particularly the young adults.
Both of you fail to realize that Medicaid existed before Obama Care and that was my point. You also don't acknowledge that many people simply do not WANT health insurance, particularly the young adults.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
The problem wasn't the ACA. Insurance companies used the ACA as an opportunity to change rates and policies and blame the ACA, knowing that no one was educated enough on the system to know it was them.
It's the equivalent of OSHA telling a slumlord to get his building up to code, and instead the landlord just demolishes it while screaming "look what OSHA made me do!".
It's the equivalent of OSHA telling a slumlord to get his building up to code, and instead the landlord just demolishes it while screaming "look what OSHA made me do!".
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PO1 John Miller
SSG John Thornton
Firstly I DID say that some people don't want healthcare. Secondly, because of the terms of ACA, many people's plans increased in cost. They couldn't afford said increases so they LOST their plans.
There is also a program called Cobra, enacted in 1985, for people who have lost their jobs.
So again, you're wrong.
Firstly I DID say that some people don't want healthcare. Secondly, because of the terms of ACA, many people's plans increased in cost. They couldn't afford said increases so they LOST their plans.
There is also a program called Cobra, enacted in 1985, for people who have lost their jobs.
So again, you're wrong.
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MSgt Marvin Kinderknecht
SFC Michael Hasbun - Hey guys, the way I see it is, Health Insurance is a necessity. We don't want it or need it when we are young. I never had it until I joined the service at 19. My point is, why don't these people have insurance? Can we help them get it? Should we GIVE it to them? Should we make them pay for it?
I don't believe in GIVING (it is my right to have free insurance). Kinda like feeding stray dogs and cats. If you keep feeding them, they will come around. If you don't they will learn to forage on their own.
I don't believe in GIVING (it is my right to have free insurance). Kinda like feeding stray dogs and cats. If you keep feeding them, they will come around. If you don't they will learn to forage on their own.
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