Posted on Dec 1, 2015
Opinions of separated veterans who where chaptered?
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What are everyone's opinions of veterans who were chaptered? Such as for misconduct, etc.
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 7
There's always a story. And it's always longer than can be told in just a few sentences.
Sometimes the Command gets it right. Sometimes they don't.
When it really boils down to it, as long as the person didn't commit a Court Martial (as in Jail Time) offense, I work under the assumption "they raised their hand just like I did." People make mistakes. I know a SgtMaj who had a slew of DUIs back when that was "acceptable." I know other guys who had one and it was a career-ender. It ain't my place to judge someone else's former career.
Sometimes the Command gets it right. Sometimes they don't.
When it really boils down to it, as long as the person didn't commit a Court Martial (as in Jail Time) offense, I work under the assumption "they raised their hand just like I did." People make mistakes. I know a SgtMaj who had a slew of DUIs back when that was "acceptable." I know other guys who had one and it was a career-ender. It ain't my place to judge someone else's former career.
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I respect your opinion on the subject. I was separated with a general discharge and 2 and a half years of experience (overseas. Because I was stationed in Germany). The outcome probably would have been more fortunate if I were stationed CONUS. My first article 15 was for driving without a license. Which I couldn't get without a CONUS license...that was stupid and I always considered it stupid. What really got me though was the fact that my unit came back from deployment and a couple NCOs that were against me (one said that he purposely was going to counsel me until he got me kicked out even if I was in the right) actually got me...I was fortunate enough to have a sympathetic leadership. The first sergeant tried to help me as well as the unit commander. The unit commander remembered me as a useful asset for the unit, because I was always helpful and I always worked late even though it wasn't expected out of a private. Unfortunately for myself, I suffered from insomnia, and the sleep medication provided for insomnia made me oversleep frequently (and made me late for formations) contributed...as I was a 68W and the NCO told me that I had to take my meds 8 hours before I fell asleep...but I was on extra duty and couldn't sleep otherwise...I was fucked lol.
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SGT Robert Deem
Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS , cases like that used to really bug me. I used to listen to some of the "old guard" regale us with their stories of hell-raising as privates. Getting in bar fights, DUIs, drinking on duty, getting thrown in the stockade for assaulting superiors, etc. Then, the first time one of their subordinates screws up, that's the end of the road for that poor junior NCO or private.
I understand that times change and rules change, and leaders must enforce the rules regardless of their past indiscretions. Doesn't make it any less frustrating or infuriating though.
I understand that times change and rules change, and leaders must enforce the rules regardless of their past indiscretions. Doesn't make it any less frustrating or infuriating though.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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I am always on the fence with this one. There were a ton of lazy leaders out there that jumped on the chapter train just to get rid of a problem. Now, some issues are zero tolerance in the Army, but others(ABCP, APFT) are lazy leadership sometimes.
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Every case is different and should be handled as such. Without knowing your situation (and I'm not asking you to explain it either, unless you wish to), I won't pass judgement on you either way.
Every case is different and should be handled as such. Without knowing your situation (and I'm not asking you to explain it either, unless you wish to), I won't pass judgement on you either way.
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