Posted on Nov 25, 2015
Is the concept of the Infantry Battalion Task Force viable and necessary in the Active Army?
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As a part of the plan to get the Active Army to 450K, we will be inactivating an Infantry Brigade Combat Team at Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska and one at Fort Benning, GA. We will replace these with an "Infantry Battalion Task Force," of just over 1000 Soldiers. Our doctrine is Brigade Combat Team centric. While we have doctrine for the Infantry Battalion (FM 3-21.20), they aren't meant to operate alone. They don't have the logistics to do so for more than 24 hours even though they often do. How does a lone Infantry Battalion do everything it needs to in garrison as well? How will this thing be used in combat?
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Well if we look back to the Regimental Combat teams such as the 5th RCT or the 7th RCT all these Regimental teams had all the slices; sappers, arty, med, etc. They also fought well (see Korean War) killing beau coup Chinese; much to the CHICOM's chagrin I am sure. I digress. What this concept of the BN Team is another Legion of Merit for somebody. The BLUF is: All thru history, the rifle company takes the beating and every commander and his flesh peddler throughout that history has sat around trying to figure out a way to reconstitute the rifle companies. Everyone remembers Eisenhower in 1944 trying to flesh out the rifle battalions at the cost to AAA BN's and even 'cooks". What we have here is an attempt to cover up the fact we do not have enough men with rifles and bayonets. Period. The COS of the Army the last few years has been a disgrace by not offering his resignation publically to the Senate in order for the public to see what is being done to our military. Old Fat Ray has allowed some of the most combat bloodied GO's in our history to be"RETIRED". His company grade officers with patches on the right shoulder and most significantly our hard bitten combat experienced NONCOMS are being shoved to the curb. The BCT I guess it will be called is a pipe dream. As previously mentioned all those slices must train with each other over and over. There is not enough MFP 2 money available. The SENATE probably does not know that MFP 11 money is not for training military aged Syrians...We are all so F word
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I think that by piece-mealing the draw down, we took the pain out of the process. If we knew what we had to draw down to, we should have done it in one strike. That would have set congress' hair on fire and might have produced a different result. That being said, in the latest round of cuts that this is a part, the Chief did his best to protect the brigade combat teams and combat units. The majority of cuts came from support units and headquarters.
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MAJ Thomas Person
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Respect your opinion. However; he is the same guy who will eventually ruin all rifle type organizations just as soon as we can lower some more physical standards to allow females in the those units. He could fire 50 GO's in procurement TODAY and nothing would happen. He did NOT protect non combat organizations. We are so so screwed
Respect your opinion. However; he is the same guy who will eventually ruin all rifle type organizations just as soon as we can lower some more physical standards to allow females in the those units. He could fire 50 GO's in procurement TODAY and nothing would happen. He did NOT protect non combat organizations. We are so so screwed
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Poorly.
In our drive to "task force organize" and "modularize" everything, we are losing sight of the fact that there are minimum densities that are needed both for effectiveness AND efficiency. The only way to be truly effective as a SEPARATE IN BN TF is to be in a CONSTANT training cycle as well as have dedicated slices of (what once on a time were) DIV resources - which means you have a great deal of waste in resourcing.
Of course, I said similar things in 2004/5.... So I'm probably wrong...
In our drive to "task force organize" and "modularize" everything, we are losing sight of the fact that there are minimum densities that are needed both for effectiveness AND efficiency. The only way to be truly effective as a SEPARATE IN BN TF is to be in a CONSTANT training cycle as well as have dedicated slices of (what once on a time were) DIV resources - which means you have a great deal of waste in resourcing.
Of course, I said similar things in 2004/5.... So I'm probably wrong...
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If it is given a full up HSC like some units used to have it might be possible, but the standard FSC isn't set up to support it like that. It sounds like it is going to have to be more of a brigade minus than a battalion plus to be effective. It's also going to be have to be hooked tightly into the Sustaiment Brigade to get direct throughout logistics. There is no way in the current modular system for it to support itself otherwise.
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MAJ Donald Belles
all this reminds me of the conversations when airplanes were first invented for use in military operations because they would revolutionize warfare. what they did was to take a company rifleman and give him a new title pilot and a new gun, machine gun, and send him into the air against another rifleman turned pilot. Riflemen must be supported and anyone with an ounce of wisdom knows that 1000 soldiers at a major joint base or a huge training facility will eventually be pulled to help base personnel manage the facility when things get more strained. This is not a military doctrine but a political doctrine designed to allow more soldiers to be killed and to not be available to fight in the next conflict. This is easily done by putting the BN out on it's own and not have any significant support readily available. Since many of the latest political appointments seem not to have any military sense, this makes it easier. However, if the appointees husband or wife or child were in the BN being hung out to dry, I wonder if the decisions would be the same? What do you think? political or military doctrine? political or military decisions being made?
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SGT Mr Nails, I'm not sure about the political doctrine in relation to this one unit. The overall drawdown could be argued.
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A few thoughts:
- There are several reasons at the strategic level to do or not do something. All lead to compromise solutions and not optimal solutions. A few examples are below. BLUF is that we should not just be looking at the IN BN TF as a current fight issue. We also need to be looking to the future and what might/will happen.
- Current fight. Argues against an IN BN TF because it is outside the Army's BCT centric doctrine and organization.
- Reversibility. The Army shrinks and grows over the years. We are shrinking now. I can not tell you when we will grow again but history tells me that we will grow again. It is harder to grow a BCT from nothing than it is to grow a BCT from an IN BN TF seed corn. Look to history. How was the 101st Airborne created? Not from scratch but from cadre from the 82nd Airborne. Keeping an IN BN TF in Alaska and Benning therefore allows for today's decision to more easily be reversed in the future.
- Risk. Several ways to look at risk but a few are COCOM perspective, operational domain perspective, and probability and severity perspective. With Russia flexing its muscle again, should the US really not have ground forces in Alaska at this time? If we do not, how does that impact our ability to shape, deter, defeat? Argues for keeping something.
- Hollow Army vs full readiness. Current CSA guidance is to not have a hollow Army and to achieve as much readiness as we can. Not saying this is wrong but there is an argument to be made that we should have less than fully manned organizations that we can use as the seed corn to regrow the Army when, not if, we have to.
- There are several reasons at the strategic level to do or not do something. All lead to compromise solutions and not optimal solutions. A few examples are below. BLUF is that we should not just be looking at the IN BN TF as a current fight issue. We also need to be looking to the future and what might/will happen.
- Current fight. Argues against an IN BN TF because it is outside the Army's BCT centric doctrine and organization.
- Reversibility. The Army shrinks and grows over the years. We are shrinking now. I can not tell you when we will grow again but history tells me that we will grow again. It is harder to grow a BCT from nothing than it is to grow a BCT from an IN BN TF seed corn. Look to history. How was the 101st Airborne created? Not from scratch but from cadre from the 82nd Airborne. Keeping an IN BN TF in Alaska and Benning therefore allows for today's decision to more easily be reversed in the future.
- Risk. Several ways to look at risk but a few are COCOM perspective, operational domain perspective, and probability and severity perspective. With Russia flexing its muscle again, should the US really not have ground forces in Alaska at this time? If we do not, how does that impact our ability to shape, deter, defeat? Argues for keeping something.
- Hollow Army vs full readiness. Current CSA guidance is to not have a hollow Army and to achieve as much readiness as we can. Not saying this is wrong but there is an argument to be made that we should have less than fully manned organizations that we can use as the seed corn to regrow the Army when, not if, we have to.
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That’s the prevailing argument in the building right now. These are seed units from which we can grow a BCT in the future when we have to. That being said, we are trying to build them to be functional and there is much discussion over the size and composition of the IBTF…especially in Alaska.
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