Posted on Nov 13, 2015
How are we to defend against Paris style attacks from happening?
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What can we do to stop similar attacks that have happened in Paris. Hitting soft targets, simultaneously with little warning.
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SFC Eric Williams
SSG Paul Ellis - You raise a valid issue. Civilian law enforcement officers in countless numbers are leaving there weapons in pubic rest rooms.....go figure.
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SFC Eric Williams
Sgt Nick Marshall - Those soft targets are th locations local law enforcement project will be the objectives.
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Sgt Nick Marshall
I was just thinking of the "patriot guard" that were "guarding" the recruiting offices. I believe one had an accidental discharge. That kind of thing is what concerns me. More Anericans die from gun accidents than terrorism, by a large margin.
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Sgt Nick Marshall
It's comforting to know trained military are prepared, it's the untrained civilians that will be packing that can be almost as dangerous.
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Capt Richard I P.
Sgt Nick Marshall I'd be interested in any case examples of untrained civilians attempting to respond to active shooters causing even half as many casualties as an unopposed active shooter, let alone a coordinate terrorist attack.
It is easy to imagine our lack of confidence of someone with less training than us trying to respond and making poor choices but remember this: one way gunfights ALWAYS have higher casualties than two way gunfights, unless the one with the gun chooses to stop the fight.
It is easy to imagine our lack of confidence of someone with less training than us trying to respond and making poor choices but remember this: one way gunfights ALWAYS have higher casualties than two way gunfights, unless the one with the gun chooses to stop the fight.
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Sgt Nick Marshall - Sergeant; We cannot STOP similar attacks but only REDUCE the number and severity.
Reduction can be achieved through:
[1] more through vetting at borders;
[2] more inter-agency cooperation;
[3] "disruption" operations;
[4] well trained and alert security personnel at "mass events";
[5] planned response routines;
[6] having sufficient trained response personnel available;
[7] refusing to "glorify" the perpetrators;
[8] after action disinformation;
[9] treating the perpetrators in exactly the same manner as "non-terrorists"
and
[10] keeping your fingers crossed.
I'm not exactly ravingly enthusiastic about any "solution" which involves half drunk people in a darkened room shooting at "the bad guys" (no matter how much fun it sounds like).
Reduction can be achieved through:
[1] more through vetting at borders;
[2] more inter-agency cooperation;
[3] "disruption" operations;
[4] well trained and alert security personnel at "mass events";
[5] planned response routines;
[6] having sufficient trained response personnel available;
[7] refusing to "glorify" the perpetrators;
[8] after action disinformation;
[9] treating the perpetrators in exactly the same manner as "non-terrorists"
and
[10] keeping your fingers crossed.
I'm not exactly ravingly enthusiastic about any "solution" which involves half drunk people in a darkened room shooting at "the bad guys" (no matter how much fun it sounds like).
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Sgt (Join to see)
Sir, You have an excellent list of items that would reduce the number of attacks and severity. These are dangerous times we live in.
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COL Ted Mc
Sgt (Join to see) - Sergeant; Indeed these are "dangerous times" but they ARE NOT "terrifying times".
There is a risk of an attack - there always is. The real question is whether or not we are going to allow the "terrorists" to control our lives by cowering in fear before them.
I say that it is better to fight on our feet than die on our knees. (I don't go so far as to say that it is better to die on our feet than live on our knees because we can always stand up if we are alive but once we are dead we can't do anything more.)
There is a risk of an attack - there always is. The real question is whether or not we are going to allow the "terrorists" to control our lives by cowering in fear before them.
I say that it is better to fight on our feet than die on our knees. (I don't go so far as to say that it is better to die on our feet than live on our knees because we can always stand up if we are alive but once we are dead we can't do anything more.)
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Vit Spirek
[9] more veterans (for new jobs) in segment like security services which will grow after attacks in France around world. Now is right time use their experiences !
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COL Ted Mc
Vit Spirek - Mr. Spirek; If it wasn't for the constant "Race To The Bottom" that infects the private security industry, I'd agree with you.
The "real life" rule is that you can have all the security you are willing to pay for.
The problem is that the bean counters don't want you to spend any more than will satisfy the insurers and that isn't going to be enough because what will satisfy the ensurers is quantity NOT quality. That means that having "enough" crappy security counts exactly the same as having "enough" outstanding security as far as the insurers are concerned and "outstanding" costs more than "crappy".
You have to remember that the insurers actually "like" (in the sense of "can make one hell of a lot more money") it when there are terrorist attacks because then they can raise the rates across the board regardless of how much the actual threat to the insured properties is.
PS - If you take from the above that I am NOT the world's biggest fan of the insurance industry, you'd be right.
The "real life" rule is that you can have all the security you are willing to pay for.
The problem is that the bean counters don't want you to spend any more than will satisfy the insurers and that isn't going to be enough because what will satisfy the ensurers is quantity NOT quality. That means that having "enough" crappy security counts exactly the same as having "enough" outstanding security as far as the insurers are concerned and "outstanding" costs more than "crappy".
You have to remember that the insurers actually "like" (in the sense of "can make one hell of a lot more money") it when there are terrorist attacks because then they can raise the rates across the board regardless of how much the actual threat to the insured properties is.
PS - If you take from the above that I am NOT the world's biggest fan of the insurance industry, you'd be right.
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