Posted on Oct 29, 2015
Should a mentality standard within the AF apply to all ranks regardless of AFSC?
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(NON-OFFICIAL STANDARD) During my time on active duty I have had the privilege of serving both in Supply, Communication and Maintenance Squadrons. I noticed major difference in the mentality of responsibilities between the different AFSC's. Specifically that within the Supply Career field and at bases I've been stationed at that E-6 and above do not work weekend duty or are on call like a "rank has it's privilege" even though mission dictates otherwise vs. within the Flight line and Back shop Maintenance Career field E-7 and below will all pull weekend duty or work weekends their mentality of "rank has it's privilege does not apply to this". Have you had similar experiences and what are your thoughts on the difference of mentality for setting a standard within AFSC's for responsibilities?
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 15
It all depends on the shop and what their duties entail. I will say though, that as an NCO, if your troops are in the shop, your ass better be in there with them. There were plenty of times when the troops worked 12hr shifts, yet their "managers" with stripes worked eight. I was actually called out by management for refusing to leave when my troops were working 12s, apparently it made everyone else look bad. I informed them that I was trained to be an NCO, so that meant I led, not managed, and they deserved to look bad.
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I think you are sort of confusing standards with duties. Standards are rules, like haircuts, uniforms, and sexual harassment stuff. Standards apply to everyone, they are uniform. Duties are specific for every individual, group, rank, etc. Part of being lower in rank means having to do some of the less fun duties that higher ranking folks pass on. Its part of the culture, we've all been there, and when you get higher in rank, you will pass that work along to. RHIP -Rank has its Privileges.
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SSgt Paul Esquibel
I'm using the word standard as in regards to duties within a rank as it is "the standard" not specifically standard in respect to uniforms ect, sorry for the confusion. I understand rank has it's privilege however it you have that mentality even though equal ranks do not and you both share the same responsibilities then you have a break down of work ethics that could affect all. I find it odd that this mentality exists within different career fields when both have similar responsibilities.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
MSgt Michael Smith the caveat to RHIP is that the higher ranking person is responsible for the lower. Poo rolls down hill.
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This is a good question. Unfortunately the answer is you will never have any type of standard mentality across the board. Just look at the different mentalities of the MSgts that replied here. Each had their own point, and I can guess that most of their morals, when it came to leadership were either mentored down from a previous boss, or instilled in them when they were younger.
My point is it really falls down to the individual in charge. I always told anyone I supervised that I would never let them do something I haven't done first. As a MSgt, I kept that mantra. As a back shop maintainer, with a flight line responsibility, I have crawled into some holes, I never turned down a deployment, and I always mad sure my people came first. It was how I was raised and taught. My people worked their butt off for me and I always loved the two way respect that it fostered.
So I say this. It comes down to you. As a supervisor, will you give into the RHIP? Or will you lead from the front? This works in the military and in Civilian life. I always never thought highly of people who Used RHIP. Seems like a cop out of being a leader.
My point is it really falls down to the individual in charge. I always told anyone I supervised that I would never let them do something I haven't done first. As a MSgt, I kept that mantra. As a back shop maintainer, with a flight line responsibility, I have crawled into some holes, I never turned down a deployment, and I always mad sure my people came first. It was how I was raised and taught. My people worked their butt off for me and I always loved the two way respect that it fostered.
So I say this. It comes down to you. As a supervisor, will you give into the RHIP? Or will you lead from the front? This works in the military and in Civilian life. I always never thought highly of people who Used RHIP. Seems like a cop out of being a leader.
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MSgt, while i share your ideology, you use RHIP even if you don't want to. It's a fact, not simply a philosophy. There are privileges inherent to making each rank.
OP, There are huge culture differences in each career field or group. For instance, the culture in CE where I used to be is far different than the aircraft related mobility Wing I'm in now. Worse? Better? Why try to compare? That's like trying to say Latin culture sucks because you grew up White and think your way is better.
OP, There are huge culture differences in each career field or group. For instance, the culture in CE where I used to be is far different than the aircraft related mobility Wing I'm in now. Worse? Better? Why try to compare? That's like trying to say Latin culture sucks because you grew up White and think your way is better.
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