Posted on Nov 5, 2013
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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Well sad, to say I did 25 years and 3 days in the military and never got a Bronze Star, should have had two of them in my opinion, but based on circumstance I rather come home alive and have dignity than none at all. My leaders were selfish and close minded in my opinion. I can say I went to combat 6 times and brought back all my Soldiers. I can live with that........ ROGER OUT!
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SGT Brian Nile
SGT Brian Nile
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It's all about who you know, not what you know when it comes to awards.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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Your right in so many ways!
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MSG Mechanic 2nd
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it all depends on who you piss off, co medic, pay agent , fire marshal, pad manager, mrap driver and once turret gunner, spent over 60% of my time outside of wire, received cab and msm, but the bn we supported had as there sr medic was a cpl with hitler attitude, and I got into it with his SMG ops, my people were 100% training and medical ready, my 1st refused his silver fron this bn and why, don't know don't care in the reserves its all politics
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
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MSG (Join to see) - roger that, well said and profoundly conveyed my friend.
My awards includes the (1) Valor Unit Award, (1) Joint Meritorious Unit Award and the (1) Meritorious Unit Award; (3) Meritorious Service Medal, Army Commendation Medal with 9 Oak Leaf Clusters, Army Achievement Medal with 12 Oak Leaf Clusters, Army Good Conduct Medal with silver knot (8), National Defense Service Medal with bronze star device(2), Global War on Terror Expeditionary Medal, (5) Iraqi Campaign Medal, Global War on Terror Service Medal (1), Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal (1), Humanitarian Service Medal (1), Afghanistan Campaign Medal (1), NATO International Security Assistant Force Medal(1), (9) Certificate of Achievements; Noncommissioned Officer Professional Development Ribbon (3), Army Service Ribbon, Overseas Ribbon (4), United Nations Medal, French Commando Badge, Drivers Wheel Badge, Parachutist Badge, Drill Sergeant Identification Badge and the Combat Action Badge. SFC Davis won the prestigious Drill Sergeant of the Cycle for the period of 11 August-13 October 2006, Basic Combat Training Brigade, Charlie Company 2nd/47th Infantry Regiment Fort Benning, Georgia and received the Order of Saint and Christopher (Honorable/Ancient) from the Transportation Corps Regimental Association for Loyal Service and the 230th Sustainment Brigade Order of Hickory Shield. SFC Davis also received The Order of the Silver/Gold Spurs as a Cavalry Trooper with the 1st CAV Division.
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LTC Cavalry Officer
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Edited 11 y ago

I disagree that awards are political, and I have never seen race or gender used in deciding whether to approve an award, but I have seen the scope of responsibility, not rank, used in determining awards.

When I was a 2LT, I was surprised I had to put the race and gender of the Soldiers I recommended for awards on the paperwork. When I questioned my commander and the S1, I was told it was to track statistics.

Since then, I have never seen race or gender on any awards I have either been the recommender or somewhere in the chain of recommendation or approver.

I do believe that scope of responsibility, not rank, should be considered when an award is being recommended. A SSG, Squad Leader, may do many of the same things a CPL or SGT Team Leader, however the SSG has a larger scope of responsibility. On the other hand, if the CPL/SGT gooes outside their scope and assumes the duties of the Squad Leader (or higher) then that should be considered in the award.

I have never seen politics involved in awards, unless it has to do with the past behavior of a Soldier and how that may influence the approval chain.

If anyone thinks that race or gender is involved in awards, and the chain of command is unresponsive to your questions, we all have the obligation to go to the next hight level in the CoC or to the IG.

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PO2 Nick Burke
PO2 Nick Burke
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So you've seen it listed but it's not a factor. How about office politics? Rank? Those are constantly being used for consideration.
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PO2 Nick Burke
PO2 Nick Burke
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LTC (Join to see) As you stated SUBJECTIVE
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PO2 Nick Burke
PO2 Nick Burke
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CW4 Brian Haas Yet when someone of lower rank fulfills and exceeds those expectations they are treated differently.
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PO2 Nick Burke
PO2 Nick Burke
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CSM (Join to see) It's not a factor but it's used for consideration to ensure that the proper % is awarded. Just like for college entrants. That's a quota system.
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SFC James Baber
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With all do respect to the LTC, it is based on rank and not scope, maybe in his COC or units, but during every deployment that I was involved in over the past decade before retirement, it was put out in staff meetings and pre-deployments briefings, E6 and below will never see anything above an ARCOM, unless they are injured during a attack or insurgency, E7 and above will get a BSM unless they get in trouble and will still get at least a ARCOM.


Proof of this, I had a CW2 warehouse OIC that arrived in Taji to take over, never left the FOB until we redeployed back to the states and received a BSM, while myself as a SSG who was handpicked to be a MTT team commander because the CPT that was picked to do it refused saying he was too busy in the S3, and there were no other E7s or LTs available, I earned a CAB that was submitted for 3 different events related to insurgents, a purple heart from an IED incident during a prisoner transport, and a handful of 3ID General coins for actions outside the wire, I only received an ARCOM for my tour award because I was an E6, although my scope of responsibility was that of an O3 for 8 months of 13, and the other 5 months I was the NCOIC of a detainee camp for Taji, which was an E8 position and I was handpicked for that job by the BDE CDR before deployment.


So where did the scope of responsibility apply for both of those duties while deployed with the award I received.

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SSG Aircraft Powertrain Repairer
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I agree with you SFC Baber.  The handoffs will continue and the lower workers will receive the handshakes while upper echelons receive ribbon.
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1SG Eoc Ops Coordinator / Ga Certified Emergency Manager
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SSG Richard Cramer Thank you for standing your ground for your Soldiers! It does me good to see it is still being done out there...WELL DONE!
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CPL Sarah Verity
CPL Sarah Verity
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I worked in the TOC as a PFC and all the NCOs and Officers got BSMs and I recieved nothing and I was told flat out it was because of my age and rank. I managed UAV and the Down aircraft recovery team and came up with a system that kept convoys from being attacked. We were awarded MUC afterwards but I wasn't allowed that either because Awards branch said my command never wrote up formal orders saying I was tranferred to the TOC (I was a supply clerk that was transferred to be a radio operator)
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