Posted on Mar 19, 2021
U.S. military grapples with a rising epidemic of sexual assault in its ranks
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I think you really need to proof your posts before you post them because they rarely make sense.
This has been posted repeatedly and discussed. This isn't anything new. It's been an issue my almost 17 years on active duty - and before that. Female and male victims alike. The military just seems not to want to deal with it.
We have a culture in our society - military and civilian - that constantly wants to put the blame on victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment. "Well what were you wearing?" "Why were you drinking?" "You shouldn't have been walking alone at night." "Are you sure you said no?" "Maybe you're just remembering it differently." "Weren't you dating?" "How could your spouse rape you?" Things like that still persist in our society. Victim blaming doesn't ever help.
The only way we make headway on this issue is taking the decision to prosecute out of the hands of commanders for starters. They seem to rarely make good decisions.
Make sure people understand their rights as a victim - their options. Make sure they truly understand reporting options because I guarantee to this day soldiers don't realize their options.
We will never have 0 reports of sexual assault or harassment. It won't stop. But we can reduce it I believe if we fix this culture that allows predators to remain free and stop punishing victims.
This has been posted repeatedly and discussed. This isn't anything new. It's been an issue my almost 17 years on active duty - and before that. Female and male victims alike. The military just seems not to want to deal with it.
We have a culture in our society - military and civilian - that constantly wants to put the blame on victims of sexual assault and sexual harassment. "Well what were you wearing?" "Why were you drinking?" "You shouldn't have been walking alone at night." "Are you sure you said no?" "Maybe you're just remembering it differently." "Weren't you dating?" "How could your spouse rape you?" Things like that still persist in our society. Victim blaming doesn't ever help.
The only way we make headway on this issue is taking the decision to prosecute out of the hands of commanders for starters. They seem to rarely make good decisions.
Make sure people understand their rights as a victim - their options. Make sure they truly understand reporting options because I guarantee to this day soldiers don't realize their options.
We will never have 0 reports of sexual assault or harassment. It won't stop. But we can reduce it I believe if we fix this culture that allows predators to remain free and stop punishing victims.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
Kelly
I am on your side and it is if there is some real emotional stuff.
I rarely do editing. I am not a english major.
I look for solutions still.
It is the culture as started even in bootcamp where you basically set it up to attack the slower guy or girl who can not keep up and then back in the barracks that slower person is not going to be brought up to speed or whatever. Some of the bullies are going to take it further.
In high school sports usually this would not happen. If someone could not Keep up the coach would take them to the sideline and give them a good pep talk not to destroy them. And possibly check in and see if this a good time for them to be there.
But in the miliary you signed that contract and well what can I say.
You can simply look at the history of the United States Navy and see that in 1853 still posted in navy web site history .mil, Flogging with the cat 0 9 tails was the punishment on one chap for the whole crew to witness to basically keep the crew in check. And in Congress there was a battle to outlaw it, as some admirals would actually defend it use as necessary to keep discipline.
I think about that and I wonder how we even work today, can even make a ship go, in 2021, when infact 1853 Flogging was outlawed.
Did the worst of worst scenarios happen that all the crews went awol because they were random lunatics who had not idea of the bigger picture and could not self regulate and be part of a team without that threat?
Nope
So I don’t know the exact translation to female on female male on male male on female or female on male assaults sexual or otherwise is to stop, but i think that, it has to do with the fact that there are going to be outliers, possibly lets put a number on it, 1 percent 5 percent somewhere under 10 percent of your population is going to be a predator sexually and persistently.
The victims are going to be in plain site, there emotions blank or scared as a result.
I dont think you can fake that response.
It is hard for someone to fake stuff like that unless they themselves are a fakester prankster sociopathic trying to set someone up with false claims fake tears as they got good at acting in some acting school they were in as a kid.
Lets see how could you see if someone is really traumatized. Their will be disruptions in that persons personal life, home, work, etc..
The person who is faking it if you follow them will basically go back to business as usual as if it never happened.
That is my thought and ready for clarification or further development from others
If you are aware of multiple female or males saying this one person on base is doing this, and they all have similar accounts, and they don’t know each other, then you know you have a real problem and should jump on it.
If alcohol or drugs are involved, and there is a power play dynamic boss worker, or landlord tenant then that is tricky and easy to identify abuse of power.
But again the boss or landlord better be aware that someone might be trying to set them up and don't drink with your subordinate.
Other then that I had a good idea.
Create a group of verified survivors of assault on base, and have them develop a screening process, for new assault cases.
Without a doubt we have enough people who have experienced and survived this on the lower enlisted ranks..and well we know the symptoms...and can see mostly real from fake..and create a process of which to deal with this ...
And embed that group into the chain of command and jag.
What do you think?
I am on your side and it is if there is some real emotional stuff.
I rarely do editing. I am not a english major.
I look for solutions still.
It is the culture as started even in bootcamp where you basically set it up to attack the slower guy or girl who can not keep up and then back in the barracks that slower person is not going to be brought up to speed or whatever. Some of the bullies are going to take it further.
In high school sports usually this would not happen. If someone could not Keep up the coach would take them to the sideline and give them a good pep talk not to destroy them. And possibly check in and see if this a good time for them to be there.
But in the miliary you signed that contract and well what can I say.
You can simply look at the history of the United States Navy and see that in 1853 still posted in navy web site history .mil, Flogging with the cat 0 9 tails was the punishment on one chap for the whole crew to witness to basically keep the crew in check. And in Congress there was a battle to outlaw it, as some admirals would actually defend it use as necessary to keep discipline.
I think about that and I wonder how we even work today, can even make a ship go, in 2021, when infact 1853 Flogging was outlawed.
Did the worst of worst scenarios happen that all the crews went awol because they were random lunatics who had not idea of the bigger picture and could not self regulate and be part of a team without that threat?
Nope
So I don’t know the exact translation to female on female male on male male on female or female on male assaults sexual or otherwise is to stop, but i think that, it has to do with the fact that there are going to be outliers, possibly lets put a number on it, 1 percent 5 percent somewhere under 10 percent of your population is going to be a predator sexually and persistently.
The victims are going to be in plain site, there emotions blank or scared as a result.
I dont think you can fake that response.
It is hard for someone to fake stuff like that unless they themselves are a fakester prankster sociopathic trying to set someone up with false claims fake tears as they got good at acting in some acting school they were in as a kid.
Lets see how could you see if someone is really traumatized. Their will be disruptions in that persons personal life, home, work, etc..
The person who is faking it if you follow them will basically go back to business as usual as if it never happened.
That is my thought and ready for clarification or further development from others
If you are aware of multiple female or males saying this one person on base is doing this, and they all have similar accounts, and they don’t know each other, then you know you have a real problem and should jump on it.
If alcohol or drugs are involved, and there is a power play dynamic boss worker, or landlord tenant then that is tricky and easy to identify abuse of power.
But again the boss or landlord better be aware that someone might be trying to set them up and don't drink with your subordinate.
Other then that I had a good idea.
Create a group of verified survivors of assault on base, and have them develop a screening process, for new assault cases.
Without a doubt we have enough people who have experienced and survived this on the lower enlisted ranks..and well we know the symptoms...and can see mostly real from fake..and create a process of which to deal with this ...
And embed that group into the chain of command and jag.
What do you think?
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
PO3 Aaron Hassay I don't know where you played sports at but that's not the case for many athletes who have toxic coaches. My high school coach definitely was not what you describe.
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PO3 Aaron Hassay
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff Baseball all stars short stop pitcher all the way up to high school...\then switched over to cross country and track in high school... 436 mile 10 min 2 mile .-1630 5k..always successful teams league champions...yes the coach was not always nice man making us run up to 15 miles everyday...fast..in the sun of San Diego...you know we were team..self motivated 5 am wake up calls extra running sometimes n the week end...we were league champs for a reason...hard work no money just pride and liked to burn...yeah we were self motivated did not need to be pushed much but of course given bigger and bigger goals that tested us.and yea some little motivational techniques all of the guys and girls of cross country are usually smart..interested in health...not drugs or alchohol..and looking at a great life and college...on student council etc etc etc all around good upstanding kids..and I was surrounded by them..i was not out smoking weed or getting high or drinking alchohol...just because my dad was missing and yah that would have an affect on any kid....especially the first born son...and I was always trying to protect my family...and due the school moves and different changes as a kid with my mom who had little money..i was not able to focus all the time on school work..but i was smart..and I looked at the yellow pages...in a military town...looking to make some tang of myself...senior year came up quick..and i cant even believe i am typing this at 44...but the navy posted something to the extent be in the navy and go to college at the same exact time!!!!! I was like WTF...and called...and signed even though the recruiter said...its an 8 year enlistment...which seemed like a long time...and by then i wanted a house on the hill kids children wife make my mom proud...career ..you know what I mean??? So in a month of so ...i am in bootcamp...Grinder...and lets just say...i did not need to be motivated...as super patriotic already...and unlike 90% of the other recruits already used to team sports and putting out...except all the other recruits were all regular enlistments usn navy active duty of various commitments and obligations contracts signed...and only 3 me and 2 others had this wierd odd SAM Sea Air Mariner enlistment..representing like 2% of the company..but we were all in boot camp experiencing the same thing...and I won the bootcamp mile against like 9 other combined companies all graduating at the sam time..my company was like wow..we won it..and I actually like shaked the hand crossing the finish..in celebration...of a Navy Seal intoduced as a special guest to watch us during the bootcamp event..
Regardless I graduated meritorious.and only knew about that when they gave it to me ..at graduation..advanced paygrade
So regardless I am flown back to San Diego..my home town..in this reserve enlistment...8 years to go..and college to complete...and become an officer by 22...commissioned...
At my first day in the reserve center..this guy in 15 minutes said we need some guys on the ship..I’m like ok...and for the next 5 years..i was assigned to 2 different guided missle frigates..i had no idea if the whole navy..all 300-400 ships was doing this...assign a e2 reserve enlisted to a ship..but who was i do question anything...i mean they could of assigned me a navy seal unit..for all I knew..and i would of reported for duty..
I was on 1 ship part time for one year the USS Copeland and the crew protected me put me in a job..that was repetitive...and technical..and with some esteem...the quartermasters.the navigation team..using GPS...and charting the course and giving directive to the OOD on the bridge ..and i excelled standing QMOW on UNITAS.
I was also in school doing a full load...And also reading all the technical manuals for the ship qualifications.....the pay and benefits did not affect me yet...but they only pay you for the days you are there and nothing else..and no health care access..but of course you felt the ocean..it is rough out there regardless even for a day..
I met my fiancé at 19 she 18 the cutest little hippie beauty queen into Bjork and emo stuff just like me..and she loved i was in the navy proud clean self esteem on a ship going to college to be an officer...and we were like so close it sort of still makes me remember..
But this is where my life changed and quick...
The ship was decommiosioned during the drawdown..i had just enlisted into the 1990s which i was unaware of the timing...and sold the ship to turkey..i am like ok...?!?!? And i was told to report to a knew ship...the USS COPELAND....and i did..all my friend who protected me and Made me feel safe part time in. Full time job on a ship...on the USS SIDES..all older then me ....were gone...
And I Put a lot of time and effort of self study into that study...to get that knowledge .....and Like losing any friends...and a Ship...you moved on and you get introduced...to the new crew...and they shake you down..what are your qualifications??? I am like i was a QMSA...On the Copeland and they were like we dont need that here...go to deck .....and everyone knows deck is the toughest roughest part of the ship...and i am like ????
Anyways after a few years of this...all I can say is I tried to join the army and had to go through MEPS...and was told on a phone call by the army recruiter i was a permanent medical disqualification...and that was it...and my heart i can not tell you if there is a darker sadder more confused place...and you are now still part of a ship...you tried to leave...i think my life sort of blanks out from there...
My fiance broke up with me..man i was so gone..i did not even reacte...i was gone..i just cried alone in the streets for the next year..and my mom watched this all..i was heartbroken..and those guys in my department all active duty would just never understand or even consider my side...part time is no place to be...i could of read all those manuals alone broke off the ship..like 5 different watch stations...the rate itself very technical the oldest rate...
This is something I think a Navy Seal would be proud of that I survived that ...but i was not well...
I mean you are talking about 3 commands now that know or should of known, I was medically messed up..the army .the navy...and MEPS
I wont try to explain the rest but..you know
I think you read some of my other posts..and i am just looking for friends...like i had on that first ship and in bootcamp..and in high school...
When i was homeless etc well what can i say
I got to the va and they said your enlistment does not qualify for a homeless housing voucher...
A federal amicus Monk Vrs Shulkin 2018, if you google it..and look at the PDF...and use my initials a.h. The non profit legal teams for veterans used my example at the va in Oakland and stated it was unlawful...at the same time Oakland VA 2015 google search shows that the va was reported by OIG as negligent ...in some scandal...i mean one thing to the next...
Those were the last years of my fathers life..i had just met a few years previous as he was discovered a disabled combat vet army 11 LIB...1966-68 ARmy Infantry... and my own battle with the va in Oakland to even get a simple homeless housing voucher...distracted from spending quality time with him stable...and wel RIP dad..you can find him on a National Veteran Web site for burial in North Las Vegas...
Regardless I graduated meritorious.and only knew about that when they gave it to me ..at graduation..advanced paygrade
So regardless I am flown back to San Diego..my home town..in this reserve enlistment...8 years to go..and college to complete...and become an officer by 22...commissioned...
At my first day in the reserve center..this guy in 15 minutes said we need some guys on the ship..I’m like ok...and for the next 5 years..i was assigned to 2 different guided missle frigates..i had no idea if the whole navy..all 300-400 ships was doing this...assign a e2 reserve enlisted to a ship..but who was i do question anything...i mean they could of assigned me a navy seal unit..for all I knew..and i would of reported for duty..
I was on 1 ship part time for one year the USS Copeland and the crew protected me put me in a job..that was repetitive...and technical..and with some esteem...the quartermasters.the navigation team..using GPS...and charting the course and giving directive to the OOD on the bridge ..and i excelled standing QMOW on UNITAS.
I was also in school doing a full load...And also reading all the technical manuals for the ship qualifications.....the pay and benefits did not affect me yet...but they only pay you for the days you are there and nothing else..and no health care access..but of course you felt the ocean..it is rough out there regardless even for a day..
I met my fiancé at 19 she 18 the cutest little hippie beauty queen into Bjork and emo stuff just like me..and she loved i was in the navy proud clean self esteem on a ship going to college to be an officer...and we were like so close it sort of still makes me remember..
But this is where my life changed and quick...
The ship was decommiosioned during the drawdown..i had just enlisted into the 1990s which i was unaware of the timing...and sold the ship to turkey..i am like ok...?!?!? And i was told to report to a knew ship...the USS COPELAND....and i did..all my friend who protected me and Made me feel safe part time in. Full time job on a ship...on the USS SIDES..all older then me ....were gone...
And I Put a lot of time and effort of self study into that study...to get that knowledge .....and Like losing any friends...and a Ship...you moved on and you get introduced...to the new crew...and they shake you down..what are your qualifications??? I am like i was a QMSA...On the Copeland and they were like we dont need that here...go to deck .....and everyone knows deck is the toughest roughest part of the ship...and i am like ????
Anyways after a few years of this...all I can say is I tried to join the army and had to go through MEPS...and was told on a phone call by the army recruiter i was a permanent medical disqualification...and that was it...and my heart i can not tell you if there is a darker sadder more confused place...and you are now still part of a ship...you tried to leave...i think my life sort of blanks out from there...
My fiance broke up with me..man i was so gone..i did not even reacte...i was gone..i just cried alone in the streets for the next year..and my mom watched this all..i was heartbroken..and those guys in my department all active duty would just never understand or even consider my side...part time is no place to be...i could of read all those manuals alone broke off the ship..like 5 different watch stations...the rate itself very technical the oldest rate...
This is something I think a Navy Seal would be proud of that I survived that ...but i was not well...
I mean you are talking about 3 commands now that know or should of known, I was medically messed up..the army .the navy...and MEPS
I wont try to explain the rest but..you know
I think you read some of my other posts..and i am just looking for friends...like i had on that first ship and in bootcamp..and in high school...
When i was homeless etc well what can i say
I got to the va and they said your enlistment does not qualify for a homeless housing voucher...
A federal amicus Monk Vrs Shulkin 2018, if you google it..and look at the PDF...and use my initials a.h. The non profit legal teams for veterans used my example at the va in Oakland and stated it was unlawful...at the same time Oakland VA 2015 google search shows that the va was reported by OIG as negligent ...in some scandal...i mean one thing to the next...
Those were the last years of my fathers life..i had just met a few years previous as he was discovered a disabled combat vet army 11 LIB...1966-68 ARmy Infantry... and my own battle with the va in Oakland to even get a simple homeless housing voucher...distracted from spending quality time with him stable...and wel RIP dad..you can find him on a National Veteran Web site for burial in North Las Vegas...
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