Posted on Oct 19, 2023
Judge: ‘You have a choice – your husband or your guns’
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I don't like the result here at all. I can't fault the Judge much though.
I find fault with the Wife and Son for not doing an interdiction on a long time addict, and getting him the Mental health treatment He needed. I took my self off of the regular taking of Oxy cold turkey. I have a prescription bottle in the Medicine cabinet for really bad days, I might take two of them in a months time. If you or someone you know needs help, get it. Do whatever is necessary to get clean. Your mind and Body will thank you.
Back to the article; i think the Judge could have opted for individual biometric containers for storage that the Husband didn't have access to as a 1st line. Since the judge made her sign away her Rights. When the husband passes or if they split up, highly unlikely at this point in their lives, but not out of the question, This woman is going to have to run a gauntlet to get those Rights back. But that's just my opinion.
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I find fault with the Wife and Son for not doing an interdiction on a long time addict, and getting him the Mental health treatment He needed. I took my self off of the regular taking of Oxy cold turkey. I have a prescription bottle in the Medicine cabinet for really bad days, I might take two of them in a months time. If you or someone you know needs help, get it. Do whatever is necessary to get clean. Your mind and Body will thank you.
Back to the article; i think the Judge could have opted for individual biometric containers for storage that the Husband didn't have access to as a 1st line. Since the judge made her sign away her Rights. When the husband passes or if they split up, highly unlikely at this point in their lives, but not out of the question, This woman is going to have to run a gauntlet to get those Rights back. But that's just my opinion.
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SPC Gary Welch, SGT Mark Anderson,
CPL Douglas Chrysler, LTC Trent Klug,
CSM Charles Hayden, SMSgt David A Asbury,
SSG William Jones, MSgt Robert "Rock" Aldi
SSG Michael Noll, MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
SGM Erik Marquez, CW3 Harvey K.
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Judge: ‘You have a choice – your husband or your guns’
Posted from ammoland.com
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This is absolutely, positively, and in every way, WRONG.
The judge abused his power and should be fired.
Yes, the felony guilty plea removes Mr. Marok's 2A rights. But not hers. Making her relinquish her concealed carry permit and sign away 2A rights is wrong.
True, she can't have guns in the house. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be allowed to have them elsewhere.
I am a gun owner. I keep a rifle in my bedroom. When my brother-in-law got out of jail, he used our home as a transitional home while he re-establzished himself. Did I have to surrender my rifle? Nope. Just stored it at father-in-law's home for a year, then picked it back up after brother-in-law moved out. And I could have easily picked ked it up and gun hunting or shooting any time I wanted.
There is absolutely no reason Ms. Mark could not do the same. Forcing this decision - and on the spot, too, with no chance for legal counsel - is just plain wrong.
The judge abused his power and should be fired.
Yes, the felony guilty plea removes Mr. Marok's 2A rights. But not hers. Making her relinquish her concealed carry permit and sign away 2A rights is wrong.
True, she can't have guns in the house. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be allowed to have them elsewhere.
I am a gun owner. I keep a rifle in my bedroom. When my brother-in-law got out of jail, he used our home as a transitional home while he re-establzished himself. Did I have to surrender my rifle? Nope. Just stored it at father-in-law's home for a year, then picked it back up after brother-in-law moved out. And I could have easily picked ked it up and gun hunting or shooting any time I wanted.
There is absolutely no reason Ms. Mark could not do the same. Forcing this decision - and on the spot, too, with no chance for legal counsel - is just plain wrong.
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SGM Erik Marquez
"True, she can't have guns in the house."
NOT TRUE, she can not have guns in the house the husband HAS ACCESS to. That is not a guess on my part, it is an accusation and then court decided my legal right to have a gun regardless of whether a restricted felon or person on parole forbidden from having possession of a firearm was upheld.. The gun could be on my person, or in a locked container either was eliminating access to the restricted person to a firearm.
NOT TRUE, she can not have guns in the house the husband HAS ACCESS to. That is not a guess on my part, it is an accusation and then court decided my legal right to have a gun regardless of whether a restricted felon or person on parole forbidden from having possession of a firearm was upheld.. The gun could be on my person, or in a locked container either was eliminating access to the restricted person to a firearm.
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MAJ Byron Oyler
SGM Erik Marquez - This situation would be no different than NFA items that if you are not on the trust they must be locked out of the access of the person not on said trust.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
SGM Erik Marquez You are right. Let me rephrase...
I removed my rifle from my home for HIS benefit (the felons), not mine. I could legally keep the rifle, but if the PO THOUGHT he had access, while he was on parole, his ass was grass, whether or not he DID have access.
Same for Ms. Marok. I am sure she would prefer to not have funs in the home, just to be safe and make sure there was absolutely no doubt about Mr. Marok's access, at least while he was still on probation.
The key here is access, and anti-gun prosecutors, much like BATFE, will twist words as much as necessary to make (cuurently) law-abiding citizens into criminals.
"Did you ever shower Ms. Marok?"
Of course I did.
"And where was the gun while you were showering, Ms. Marok?"
In the safe, of course.
"And where was the key to the safe, Ms. Marok?"
It doesn't have a key, it is a combination.
"And do you know, for absolutely certainty, that Mr. Marok has not figured out the combination? Remember, you are under oath."
Well, I never gave him the combination.
"But is it possible, Ms. Marok, that during your many showers you admit to having taken, he figured out the combination?"
I guess it is possible.
"A-ha! You see, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, even the defendant's own wife admits she could not prevent access with 100% certainty. I submit to you, that Mr. Marok, by his wife's own admission, had access to a firearm in violation of his probation."
Is it far-fetched? Absolutely. Would I put it past some of our shadier DAs? No. No, I would not.
That's why I say she couldn't have a weapon in the home. Not because she legally could not. But because better judgment (IMHO) would opt not to, at least while he is on probation. Parole and probation are a LOT easier to "violate" and send folks to jail for.
I removed my rifle from my home for HIS benefit (the felons), not mine. I could legally keep the rifle, but if the PO THOUGHT he had access, while he was on parole, his ass was grass, whether or not he DID have access.
Same for Ms. Marok. I am sure she would prefer to not have funs in the home, just to be safe and make sure there was absolutely no doubt about Mr. Marok's access, at least while he was still on probation.
The key here is access, and anti-gun prosecutors, much like BATFE, will twist words as much as necessary to make (cuurently) law-abiding citizens into criminals.
"Did you ever shower Ms. Marok?"
Of course I did.
"And where was the gun while you were showering, Ms. Marok?"
In the safe, of course.
"And where was the key to the safe, Ms. Marok?"
It doesn't have a key, it is a combination.
"And do you know, for absolutely certainty, that Mr. Marok has not figured out the combination? Remember, you are under oath."
Well, I never gave him the combination.
"But is it possible, Ms. Marok, that during your many showers you admit to having taken, he figured out the combination?"
I guess it is possible.
"A-ha! You see, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, even the defendant's own wife admits she could not prevent access with 100% certainty. I submit to you, that Mr. Marok, by his wife's own admission, had access to a firearm in violation of his probation."
Is it far-fetched? Absolutely. Would I put it past some of our shadier DAs? No. No, I would not.
That's why I say she couldn't have a weapon in the home. Not because she legally could not. But because better judgment (IMHO) would opt not to, at least while he is on probation. Parole and probation are a LOT easier to "violate" and send folks to jail for.
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SOME FOLKS A TOO STUCK UP TO ADMIT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM. LIKE THESE FOLKS WHO WAIT 20 YEARS LATER TO GO TO THE VA TO LOCAL VA REP FOR HELP.
SOME THINK THEY ARE TOO GOOD AND IT WILL MAKE THEM LOOK BAD.
MOST FOLKS WHO WAITED, ARE NOW A JUST A NUIMBER IN THE BOOKS OF THE MHI THAT DESTROYS US AND THE FAMILY AROUND THEM.
SOME THINK THEY ARE TOO GOOD AND IT WILL MAKE THEM LOOK BAD.
MOST FOLKS WHO WAITED, ARE NOW A JUST A NUIMBER IN THE BOOKS OF THE MHI THAT DESTROYS US AND THE FAMILY AROUND THEM.
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Amn Dale Preisach
In my case, i " waited" till the disease froze me. I could not even say anything. Just in a world without light and full of screaming voices and even vodka couldn't dull them for me to get rest from passing out drunk.
It was not so much that i was too good for care, but in a state of suspended logic. I did not want to take any time away from the Vets that had combat experience and needed the hour or so for them.
It came to a point of sheer meltdown. Divorce, bankruptcy, could not hold a job or even a nightshift security job. Just everything collapsed. All that i was trying to appear normal was gone. Wife- of Hosea, family , in name mostly, a job where i could work for a living...
It just vanished... still the voices are there, but i can place them on squelch at most times. Too good for care? Not so much.
It was not so much that i was too good for care, but in a state of suspended logic. I did not want to take any time away from the Vets that had combat experience and needed the hour or so for them.
It came to a point of sheer meltdown. Divorce, bankruptcy, could not hold a job or even a nightshift security job. Just everything collapsed. All that i was trying to appear normal was gone. Wife- of Hosea, family , in name mostly, a job where i could work for a living...
It just vanished... still the voices are there, but i can place them on squelch at most times. Too good for care? Not so much.
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Sgt Sheri Lynn
Amn Dale Preisach I hear you and your courageous story. I send encouragement and support. Seems to me that we all have obstacles to overcome in order to begin healing. And, like you, mine were outward things like job, divorce, money, alcoholism, etc AND inner things like illogical thinking, shame, despair, PTSD, etc.
I think it is awesome that you and me and so many others have been able to begin the climb out of the pit.
And I pray for those who are still lost and trapped. May their turning point come soon:)
I think it is awesome that you and me and so many others have been able to begin the climb out of the pit.
And I pray for those who are still lost and trapped. May their turning point come soon:)
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SFC William Stephens
Sgt Sheri Lynn A LOT FOLKS DO NOT KNOW THIS ABOUT ME BUT WHEN I WAS A WTU IN DC FOR YEAR- BMHW I LEARNED PTSD IS NOT JUST A BATTLEFIELD ILLNESS.
I WROTE ABOUT ABOUT THIS CALLED "THE MIRROR"
I AGREE WITH YOU.
I WROTE ABOUT ABOUT THIS CALLED "THE MIRROR"
I AGREE WITH YOU.
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Sgt Sheri Lynn
SFC William Stephens maybe you could post your writing here on RP. There is a group called “Creative Writing” I would be interested in reading:)
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