Posted on Aug 19, 2015
Chelsea Manning found guilty of violating prison rules
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Honestly, the toothpaste thing... really. That's looking to bust someone for something stupid. Ignore who it is for a second. And look at the charge. That's just a stupid charge. Especially considering Manning doesn't buy the toothpaste, it is provided by the system.
As for the other issues, it was implied that the disrespect charge stemmed from asking to speak to the Lawyer, which is a Right. I've got no problem with busting someone if they do something wrong. None at all. I do have a problem with setting someone up, even if they have done something wrong in the past. There are "elements" of this story that imply unprofessional conduct on both sides of the equation.
Let's not let our dislike of the individual cloud our judgement. Even the proverbial shitbird deserves the fair shake.
As for the other issues, it was implied that the disrespect charge stemmed from asking to speak to the Lawyer, which is a Right. I've got no problem with busting someone if they do something wrong. None at all. I do have a problem with setting someone up, even if they have done something wrong in the past. There are "elements" of this story that imply unprofessional conduct on both sides of the equation.
Let's not let our dislike of the individual cloud our judgement. Even the proverbial shitbird deserves the fair shake.
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CDR Terry Boles
SGT Aaron Kennedy
I did some time as a Navy Brig Chaser in Norfolk. The rules that are in place is all about discipline which helps prevent bigger problems down the road, albeit they may seem ridiculous to us. Prison is not meant to be fun and privileges are earned, even the most simplest of privileges.
I had to read the article twice as it can appear to be absurd, but my experiences impressed into my mind the seriousness of prison and the consequences of not paying attention to your prisoner regardless of how trivial something they may have done.
I did some time as a Navy Brig Chaser in Norfolk. The rules that are in place is all about discipline which helps prevent bigger problems down the road, albeit they may seem ridiculous to us. Prison is not meant to be fun and privileges are earned, even the most simplest of privileges.
I had to read the article twice as it can appear to be absurd, but my experiences impressed into my mind the seriousness of prison and the consequences of not paying attention to your prisoner regardless of how trivial something they may have done.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
CDR Terry Boles I have no doubt, however, that is no excuse for "setting someone up for failure." An expired tube of toothpaste is someone abusing a position of power. It is fixed by saying "This is expired. We will get you a new tube." It never should have been included in the charges, if there were multiple (valid) charges... it's someone "padding" a chargesheet. Why include something that trivial, and out of the prisoners control, if you can get him for things that are actually under his control? Like contraband, disrespect, etc.
I've got no love for Manning or convicted prisoners in general, however the charges just don't pass the "sniff test."
I've got no love for Manning or convicted prisoners in general, however the charges just don't pass the "sniff test."
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CDR Terry Boles
Agreed. The contraband and disrespect hit the validity button square on. Padding a charge sheet, not cool and I hope this wasn't the case.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
CDR Terry Boles that's my major concern. If we're going to nail someone. Nail them legit.
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In hind sight, the former punishment for espionage was DEATH. Could have been worse!
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I think a little excessive but at the same time prison is not suppose to be fun and those rules are in place for a reason. If he wanted the freedom to have what ever magazine he wanted and expiered toothpaste he should not have broken the law.
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