Posted on Oct 17, 2022
Who gets to call themselves a 'combat veteran’?
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COMBAT VETERAN, pretty powerful tag.
There are many ways someone is subjected to combat, even in areas where War is not official. The question for me starts with, why the tag, is it to ensure one receives more personal credit than a Service member who has not been in Combat-Veteran as opposed to combat veteran? What of combat should be recognized and why.
Someone who has been fired at or targeted with explosive and is not shooting back-one could argue that this person has the same emotional stresses as does the security detail shooting back as the unit makes evasive maneuvers. If a drone pilot is in a safe zone and attacking targets in a combat zone do they feel the same stressor's as those in the zone?
I could go on, bottom line is that it is hard to define, for me it is about how and what the person went through similar to the Combat Action Badge-there are those who have deployed directly and never fired a round, are they combat veterans just because they are in the zone experiences whatever it is the individual experiences. Do they retain less credit because their job kept them in a TOC, TAC or other operations center, the cook, the medic, the mechanic.
War is hell, combat sucks, we’re they there, did they fight, under what circumstance, it is impossible to clearly define.
For me the tie goes to the individual. Combat veteran.
There are many ways someone is subjected to combat, even in areas where War is not official. The question for me starts with, why the tag, is it to ensure one receives more personal credit than a Service member who has not been in Combat-Veteran as opposed to combat veteran? What of combat should be recognized and why.
Someone who has been fired at or targeted with explosive and is not shooting back-one could argue that this person has the same emotional stresses as does the security detail shooting back as the unit makes evasive maneuvers. If a drone pilot is in a safe zone and attacking targets in a combat zone do they feel the same stressor's as those in the zone?
I could go on, bottom line is that it is hard to define, for me it is about how and what the person went through similar to the Combat Action Badge-there are those who have deployed directly and never fired a round, are they combat veterans just because they are in the zone experiences whatever it is the individual experiences. Do they retain less credit because their job kept them in a TOC, TAC or other operations center, the cook, the medic, the mechanic.
War is hell, combat sucks, we’re they there, did they fight, under what circumstance, it is impossible to clearly define.
For me the tie goes to the individual. Combat veteran.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
Been to Iraq thrice and Afghanistan once. Spent 4 years in combat theaters, and 7 years overseas. Been shot at at least a dozen times (thank you vehicle armor!!!!), got a concussion from being danger close to a 104mm rocket impact (Thank you HESCO barrier!!!), ran a whopping ONE mounted patrol through Baghdad, participated in a dozen dismounted patrols, was the point vehicle on a couple dozen missions in Kabul, and ran a few hundred logistical missions up and down IED alley.
But in 20 years, I never fired live rounds out of my weapon except on the range or live fire training areas.
I have no CAB, nor did I want one. Combat action means engaging with the enemy in combat, not just being engaged.
But I'll be damned if someone tries to tell me I have not been TO combat or I am not a combat vet.
But in 20 years, I never fired live rounds out of my weapon except on the range or live fire training areas.
I have no CAB, nor did I want one. Combat action means engaging with the enemy in combat, not just being engaged.
But I'll be damned if someone tries to tell me I have not been TO combat or I am not a combat vet.
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3:00 am, April 10, 1970, the Mai Loc Special Forces compound was overrun by a company size unit of NVA regulars. The Special Forces and Combat Engineer unit personnel on the compound were engaged in close quarters combat until two helicopter gun ships, Puff, and a company of armored cav came to the rescue. Four combat engineers were killed, five wounded. I don't know the stats for the SF personnel, but I do know at least one was killed. All of the militiary personnel that survived that engagement can certainly be called "combat veteras". I know this for a fact, I was there, I was one of the wounded.
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MSG Greg Kelly
Yes, Sir you are all combat vets glad you made it home. Combat today is not as convoluted as it seems the problem starts because people want awards they have not earned. And they seem to forget that real men before us died for those awards that they are trying to get for free. And they want these awards so bad they do not even see they are belittling themselves the award itself and more importantly they are dishonoring those who came before us. Guys like the ones from your war and before. I have a list of names and ranks of 32 Bronze Star takers who never left the FOB during OIF 3 every one of them is a piece of shit I could not get my medic a BSM w/ V Devic because of these 32. My medic pulled 4 people from a burning hummer under fire and dragged them to cover and then started rendering aid he also recovered the gunner who blowen from the turret. We were under so much fire when it was over, I told him I did not know if I was happy or mad. Happy he was alive mad because he did not listen to me was amazingly stupid. But if he had gotten the BSM w V. I guess it would have made the POUG's look like what they were. I have seen a couple of people since then I always ask them "Are you enjoying that BSM you got from the Blood of others?" No, they do not speak to me anymore.
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1LT Vance Titus
Thank you, MSG Kelly, YES, your medic earned a BSM w/ V, sorry he didn't get it. The one's who don't speak to you any more, good for you, what would you want to talk with about anyway?
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MSG Greg Kelly
1LT Vance Titus - Just tell them what I think of them. Sir I know its childish and perhaps small, but it would make me feel better
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1LT Vance Titus
Hang in there MSG, thank you for your service in Iraq and Afganistan. The sand box and the Stan were a lot different playgrounds than Vietnam.
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One of my things is that My brothers were both Nam Vets having been there. Ron as an Infantryman he got caught stealing or something in 67 Judge said Army or Jail Doug an MP (Yeah we had a cop in the family) but both were in Nam. My best friends Dad was in Nam as an Infantryman, and I have seen him get angry with guys wearing Nam vet hats who after speaking to them he would call them liar to their face. I now understand the difference real Nam vets Vs Era vets. I have levels I guess which I look at vets everyone deployed gets a patch. That to me means you were there or somewhere that was a war location or support site. An Infantry combat vet has been engaged and engaged in enemy contact that is how the CIB was awarded. But of course, that is not how things have always been done. On my CIB orders I am the only name on them, and it details why the CIB was awarded. There are many soldiers that are wearing CIB awards and may or may not have met the letter of the law. The CAB which I am not as familiar with I can only say I have heard and seen. A commander tell his S1 that he wanted a Blanket order for the unit to receive a CAB. The S1 told the commander that only two people were involved in the incident the commander said "I do not care." He wanted a CAB and was going to ride the coat tails of the two soldiers to get it. The bottom line is when it comes to someone saying "I am a Combat Vet" I take it with a grain of salt the real ones will reveal the fakes and the fakes will always overstep their selves. It's an inside version of stolen valor, I think. Not many people want to really be Infantry, but they love our stories and the pretties on our uniforms
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SPC Woody Bullard
I was on active duty 1968-1971 during the Vietnam war but was never deployed
to the Republic of Vietnam by the Army. After MP AIT at Fort Gordon I received
overseas orders for the Federal Republic of Germany just as most of my AIT class
of new MPs received. We were all surprised because we thought we would be going
to Vietnam after AIT graduation. The VA places me and others that served in the
years of the Vietnam war in that Vietnam Era Veteran class for their records.
I have never felt the Vietnam Era Veterans used by the VA was correct as only
veterans that served "in country" Vietnam earned that title. The VA has no class
for hundreds of thousands of veterans that served in Europe and other areas
around the world during the Vietnam war years so the VA places us in that "ERA".
I did receive the National Defense Service Medal with Ribbon for my active duty
service as it was during the Vietnam war. Several bills have been submitted to
the U.S. Congress to authorize the designed Cold War Service Medal for those
veterans that did not serve in Vietnam. Veterans that served in other areas of
the world during the Cold War confrontation in Europe with the Soviet Union.
to the Republic of Vietnam by the Army. After MP AIT at Fort Gordon I received
overseas orders for the Federal Republic of Germany just as most of my AIT class
of new MPs received. We were all surprised because we thought we would be going
to Vietnam after AIT graduation. The VA places me and others that served in the
years of the Vietnam war in that Vietnam Era Veteran class for their records.
I have never felt the Vietnam Era Veterans used by the VA was correct as only
veterans that served "in country" Vietnam earned that title. The VA has no class
for hundreds of thousands of veterans that served in Europe and other areas
around the world during the Vietnam war years so the VA places us in that "ERA".
I did receive the National Defense Service Medal with Ribbon for my active duty
service as it was during the Vietnam war. Several bills have been submitted to
the U.S. Congress to authorize the designed Cold War Service Medal for those
veterans that did not serve in Vietnam. Veterans that served in other areas of
the world during the Cold War confrontation in Europe with the Soviet Union.
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MSG Greg Kelly
SPC Woody Bullard - I think we have texted about this before. I nothing but respect for any who serve no matter where. I think Some combat vets from Vietnam like my friend's dad take it more personally. Even people on from the GWOT are the same. Me personally if I had a dollar for every vet I have met here in my area who was in the Army as SF, Rangers Infantry Sniper or Navy Seal, Seal instructor for urban combat, Seal Sniper trainer Marine Recon or they are Some AF special ops or some other craziness I would be worth a million in cold hard cash. And would never have to worry about anything. But they do not understand I do not care I wanted to be left alone I have heard so much BS it just doesn't matter to me. Most of the time they inject themselves in on a conversation I am having with someone else. And they are to stupid read the look on my face saying, "do you really think I care" but I am a nice guy I let them puff up and get self-improvement words in for themselves. They have the issue by needing to fit in or something so let them have their fun. Then you have the flip side no matter what you did someone will always try to belittle you to try and make themselves feel better so it really doesn't matter what we do cannot win or please.
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SPC Woody Bullard
MSG Greg Kelly - I agree with you on what you say in your post.
I worked at a VA hospital for twenty four years and the stories I heard from
veterans was right there with what you said at the first part of your post.
They were Green Berets, Airborne Rangers, Snipers, Navy Seals all out in
combat in the field in Vietnam. No one said they were a clerk typing orders
in the orderly room or other duties at HQ. I had a few Vietnam veterans that
told me my military service "did not count" because I was not "in country" Nam.
Interesting that when I checked on some of the stories I discovered a lot of lies
that were being told but then I was not surprised.
I worked at a VA hospital for twenty four years and the stories I heard from
veterans was right there with what you said at the first part of your post.
They were Green Berets, Airborne Rangers, Snipers, Navy Seals all out in
combat in the field in Vietnam. No one said they were a clerk typing orders
in the orderly room or other duties at HQ. I had a few Vietnam veterans that
told me my military service "did not count" because I was not "in country" Nam.
Interesting that when I checked on some of the stories I discovered a lot of lies
that were being told but then I was not surprised.
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MSG Greg Kelly
SPC Woody Bullard - Well I sure hope you told those piss ants off. And I for one thank all vets I see I do not care what they did or did not do. Unless I know them then the Ball Busting starts. My Brother Doug the MP was a great guy took me in when no one wanted me. He was my hero when I joined the army, he was still the older brother so when he would tell me to do stuff, I would give him shit and ask where the white Buzzard and gloves were to direct me. But I would give anything to have him back
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