Posted on Jun 3, 2022
Opinion | Why armed military veterans aren't a solution to school shootings
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Your romantic view of military veterans doesn’t hold with practical experience
MAJ Montgomery Granger
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Military personnel are not trained to act in an active shooter situation. At all. In fact, every active shooter drill I've been in, we're told to stay in the room we're in and barricade the door if we can. The last one I took part in, actually no one even took it seriously. At all. Granted, that's when I was in J2 so you have to have swipe access to get in our area where I was but still...we aren't trained to "act" in an active shooter other than to barricade the door if you're in a room and if you're not, to get somewhere safe. I don't understand how you think anyone is trained to swoop in and rescue people when we aren't.
Yes I know how to protect MY loved ones. I didn't swear an oath to protect other people's loved ones. I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Obey orders of the POTUS and officers appointed above me according to UCMJ and regulations. Nowhere in that is anything that says I have to use myself as a body shield in an active shooter situation.
Also I have seen quite a lot of soldiers who can't shoot for shit, who have misplaced their weapons, who have had ND's. I really don't think they should be entrusted as armed security for anyone, let alone children. Let's add in the fact that there have been veterans who are active shooters. Or those who have committed domestic violence and then it wasn't reported to the civilian authorities when they were discharged and they still got a gun. The list goes on - just because someone served in the military doesn't make them a gun expert or proficient at using guns.
Why do we keep wanting to turn our schools into prisons? Are we going to do the same for hospitals? Churches? Grocery stores? When does it stop on arming everything and actually focusing on the problem? Other countries have mental health issues, they don't have daily mass shootings. Other countries play the same video games, listen to the same music, they don't have mass shootings. Other countries have bullies (which mass shooting and bullies have nothing to do with each other) but they don't have mass shootings.
The issue is this weird obsession with guns in the US. This weird hard on that gun nuts have for guns and this weird cosplay they have that they are the ones who need to defend against a tyrannical government. This weird idea that the government is going to take 'er guns - even though I've heard that for years and it hasn't happened. This weird obsession with people who seem to want to play the mythical cowboy ultimately. It's just weird. And it's an American thing.
Maybe we should make law enforcement have more training than they do. Maybe they should stop being cowards outside school shootings and spend so much wasted time before they go in. The shooter in Uvalde wasn't "barricaded" in. The door was locked. That was it and all it took to get in was a staff member to open the door.
But sure let's blame everything else - let's blame doors. Let's turn our schools and everything else into prisons. For people who scream they are patriots and love freedom, you sure do you want a lot of government control.
Yes I know how to protect MY loved ones. I didn't swear an oath to protect other people's loved ones. I took an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Obey orders of the POTUS and officers appointed above me according to UCMJ and regulations. Nowhere in that is anything that says I have to use myself as a body shield in an active shooter situation.
Also I have seen quite a lot of soldiers who can't shoot for shit, who have misplaced their weapons, who have had ND's. I really don't think they should be entrusted as armed security for anyone, let alone children. Let's add in the fact that there have been veterans who are active shooters. Or those who have committed domestic violence and then it wasn't reported to the civilian authorities when they were discharged and they still got a gun. The list goes on - just because someone served in the military doesn't make them a gun expert or proficient at using guns.
Why do we keep wanting to turn our schools into prisons? Are we going to do the same for hospitals? Churches? Grocery stores? When does it stop on arming everything and actually focusing on the problem? Other countries have mental health issues, they don't have daily mass shootings. Other countries play the same video games, listen to the same music, they don't have mass shootings. Other countries have bullies (which mass shooting and bullies have nothing to do with each other) but they don't have mass shootings.
The issue is this weird obsession with guns in the US. This weird hard on that gun nuts have for guns and this weird cosplay they have that they are the ones who need to defend against a tyrannical government. This weird idea that the government is going to take 'er guns - even though I've heard that for years and it hasn't happened. This weird obsession with people who seem to want to play the mythical cowboy ultimately. It's just weird. And it's an American thing.
Maybe we should make law enforcement have more training than they do. Maybe they should stop being cowards outside school shootings and spend so much wasted time before they go in. The shooter in Uvalde wasn't "barricaded" in. The door was locked. That was it and all it took to get in was a staff member to open the door.
But sure let's blame everything else - let's blame doors. Let's turn our schools and everything else into prisons. For people who scream they are patriots and love freedom, you sure do you want a lot of government control.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff The 2nd Amendment is an individual right to keep and bear arms. Section 8 clause 15 and 16 deal with Militias. Clause 12 deals with a standing Army. The Bill of Rights are protections for the RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUAL not the State or National Government. A response to your tyrannical government comment is the Declaration of Independence.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SFC Kelly Fuerhoff I mentioned that you have a country created by men (white men) who didn't believe certain people were a actually people which is why I mentioned slavery AND lack of women's rights and you only focused on slavery. Also who mentioned race before this? I didn't. Triggered much? The founders were all white. Those are facts. And white men have controlled everything for far too long and haven't made anything better.
Stop idolizing people who didn't even care about 3/4 of the people in the colonies.
Stop idolizing people who didn't even care about 3/4 of the people in the colonies.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SGT (Join to see) The Declaration is nothing more than a historical document. Go visit the National Archive and hear about it. It's completely faded because even the founders didn't care about it. Half the time it was in a box somewhere. At a point it was on a wall in direct sunlight. It's not the basis for our laws. At all. It was a fuck you letter to King George. That's it. The Constitution is the basis hence why they preserved it and even the Articles of Confederation were more preserved than the Declaration.
Also the Constitution is made of amendments for a reason. It's meant to be changed.
I swear you people...and lovely that you're SGT Anonymous...
Also the Constitution is made of amendments for a reason. It's meant to be changed.
I swear you people...and lovely that you're SGT Anonymous...
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I too am tempted to add my name to the list of volunteers to protect our schools, but let's face facts. We were trained, and some experienced, to kill people and destroy things. That's not the function of policing or protecting which is why sending the military to quell civilian unrest is never a really good idea. Now, if we have the time and patience to be retrained, I'd consider it, but let's face facts. I'm nearing 80 (just a few months away) and, although still seriously effective with all types of weapons, handguns and long guns, I'm not only not as good as I once was, I'm not even good once as I once was...
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MAJ Montgomery Granger
No worries! I just turned 60 and I don't think I am the best candidate for school security officer, although until just recently I was in charge of security for a public school district. My guards were trained and ready (unarmed). The key is training. Until it's your turn, no one really knows how he/she will react in an active shooter situation. But training for it can help prepare someone. The human element is always the weakest element in any system. No matter the facility, physical security, training, etc., vigilance and awareness are required for success.
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Oh I think you would be surprised at your effectiveness.
Or you could use my method which is to sit in my rocking chair sharpening knife with that expression that sends cold chills down your adversaries spine.
Or you could use my method which is to sit in my rocking chair sharpening knife with that expression that sends cold chills down your adversaries spine.
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