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SGT Robert Pryor
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen - The number of deaths don't equate to the quality of response in the least. There are cultural biases from one part of the US to others, such as population density, diet, climate and lifestyles that have clearly been shown to affect survivability. The variation in cultural biases between the US and the rest of the world are tremendous and represent variables that cannot be readily identified, much less factored in. Porousness of boarders is another factor. For example, Viet Nam hates China and movement between the countries is almost non existent. The people of Laos and Cambodia, as well as Viet Nam, are too impoverished to travel much, plus are separated by tremendous cultural differences, so there's not much movement across those boarders either. The result is that Viet Nam has one of the lowest COVID-19 rates on the planet. The list of cultural biases between the US and the countries listed in the GIF would go on and on. The variables in this case are more extreme than comparing apples to oranges. So that brings us down to my original statement -- for example, what does the the makeup of favilas in Rio have to do with Trump playing golf? Nothing. Also, the graphic appears to show the number of deaths in total, which would be even more meaningless that one based on a per capita basis, which itself would be meaningless because of cultural biases. If there was an audioa, I didn't turn on my speakers, so I can't say anything about a potential audio.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
SGT Robert Pryor Ok, but the graph compared the US to European countries with travel similar to the US. I get it, those who think the administration has done a good job will never acknowledge that we have more deaths than any other country in the world.
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SGT Robert Pryor
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen - I don't think the administration has done a good job -- or a bad job. And I think we would have been able to lodge similar complaints had this happened under Obama, Boy George or even a Hillary presidency. I'm positive you can think of hundreds of cultural biases that set us apart from Canada and the European counties shown. But I'll just mention three biggies that most people on differing sides of the issue agree affect survivability. Obesity rates, type 2 diabetes rates and cardiopulmonary problems. None of the countries listed have rates in all three of those areas similar to the US, so any comparison is statistically invalid. I used to read articles citing various "expert" sources and learned that not one was statistically valid -- so I quit reading them. I only looked at the link you provided because I'm always interested in what you, as an individual, have to share. Had I just stumbled upon this on the web, I wouldn't even have bothered to look. I believe you and I will be dead and gone a thousand years and folks will still be trying to sort out, and factor in, all the variables associated with COVID-19 deaths. Until that has been accomplished, anything you see about COVID-19 is just fluff and has no statistical validity whatsoever. Anyone could cherry pick countries, use per capita death rates, and show the US response is far superior. Of course, I wouldn't believe that either. But while per capita means so much more than the meaningless body count on that GIF, even per capita analysis is nearly meaningless because the varying way different jurisdictions determine what constitutes a COVID-19 death. It is so much easier, especially in less affluent countries and communities, to list all deaths of people who are just suspected of having COVID-19 as that being the cause of death -- as opposed to doing a full blown autopsy on each suspected case. Even in most, perhaps all, jurisdictions in the US autopsies are not required when the patient was under a doctor's care at the time of death, the doctor certifies a cause of death, as long as criminal activity is not suspected. And it's just as easy to hide actual COVID-19 deaths by attributing them to some comorbidity only, or even old age. Will we ever know the true number of deaths directly due to COVID-19 in the US or any other country? Nope.
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