Posted on Dec 3, 2018
Tank Battle in Happy Valley: 1st Armored Division in the Run for Tunis
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You have to have the right equipment for the fight, otherwise you start out at a severe disadvantage.
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LTC Eric Udouj
We came in ready to fight 1939.... and learned the hard way about the cost of being out gunned and over matched..... and that we had to relearn logistics!
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LTC Ken Bowers
Thanks for this small piece of history! In this case I don't think the American were out-gunned, but rather position poor. The Vichy got to the high ground first, but the Americans could maneuver. The M3 tank was well armed with a 75mm sponson gun in the hull and a turret mounted 37mm gun. In the heat of battle or Training, and especially in a meeting engagement it is natural to engage the enemy and develop the situation with caution thrown to the wind! Fortunately, the Vichy R35 mounted a 37mm main-gun not able to penetrate the M3 armor. Many factors influence a tank battle terrain being one. Of course firepower and maneuverability count for much, but the quality of violent execution is key, but difficult to measure. In this battle Tuck and B company executed violently, but by his own admission after the battle Tuck resolved to fight wiser.
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LTC Eric Udouj
LTC Ken Bowers - It was the over confidence that was created from beating the Vichy French B team that lead to the problems in those first fights with the Germans and Italians. The Stuarts 37mm was able to knock out the Italian tanks in their first encounter.... but not the Germans PZ IIIs and IVs. Really enjoyed the article in how it progressed the story in this.. and how things came about.
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LTC Ken Bowers
LTC Eric Udouj- I wrote my comment without reading the entire article. Thanks for posting the excellent account of American actions in N. Africa. My error was thinking the M3s were Lee tanks not Stuarts. Even after reading the entire account I stand by my initial comments. The Tankers of 1st BN 1st Armor executed aggressively and violently! On a side note I served in A troop and HHT 1/1 CAV in 1st AD in the early and mid-80's. 1/1 cavalry is the most Battle decorated unit in the US Army. I was aware of my squadron's actions in Vietnam, but not the WWII actions. Thanks again for sharing!
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I had an Uncle who landed in North Africa as a Tank Commander in the 1st AD. He said when they shot a German Tank the shells just bounced off. They had to get behind them and shoot them in the engine compartment. Our Tanks ran on gas and exploded when hit! He was wounded at Kasserine Pass. He said they had one column going in and four coming out! German Tanks much better than ours!
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LTC Eric Udouj
37mm cannon was a great thing in 1930s - but by 1939...it was going to bounce off most tanks. But the Stuart was a great recon tank later on.... The exception to the rule was in 1941-2 in the Philippines vs the Japanese -- where it was on par.
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