Posted on Nov 15, 2017
Outrage Sparked After Airman Takes Knee; Air Force Says He Felt Faint
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Guys, it's reveille... Read the article first. It clearly wasn't a protest.
"The airman first class from RAF Mildenhall, while participating in a ceremony detail in dress uniform, stood and saluted during the U.S. and British national anthems, according to photos contributed to Stars and Stripes. He stepped backward out of the formation and fell to a knee when the music to reveille began playing."
"The airman first class from RAF Mildenhall, while participating in a ceremony detail in dress uniform, stood and saluted during the U.S. and British national anthems, according to photos contributed to Stars and Stripes. He stepped backward out of the formation and fell to a knee when the music to reveille began playing."
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Maj (Join to see)
How is kneeling during reveille a protest, especially after he held a salute during the national anthem?
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CPT John Sheridan
Maj (Join to see) - I'm with you on this. I spent 4 years in DC in the Old Guard (Army's ceremonial unit). Everyone there had extensive training on how to keep it from happening, yet every once in a while it did anyway. Service members without such experience and training are more prone to it.
Some of the factors that can come into play: heat, inadequate hydration, low blood pressure, emotional stress, physical exhaustion, low blood sugar from not eating, any number of viral infections, sleep deprivation, rough night at the pub, etc.
Some of the factors that can come into play: heat, inadequate hydration, low blood pressure, emotional stress, physical exhaustion, low blood sugar from not eating, any number of viral infections, sleep deprivation, rough night at the pub, etc.
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Maj (Join to see)
CPT John Sheridan - Exactly. This stuff happens. It's ok. But no, everything is a protest, everything is political.
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It happens. We had an HHC 1SG pass out during a change of command ceremony for our outgoing 2-star.
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Suspended Profile
That is what really kills me the most is the change of command ceremony especially in parade rest at mid 90's temperature. Even without locking the knee, you will feel it when a officer likes to drag on the event way longer than expected.
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Honestly, I think its an embarrassment to fall out a formation in another country, and claim 'feeling faint". Good job representing...
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SSG Felix Najera
SFC Bob Chapman DEng - ??? Where did this come from. The topic was an Airmen "feeling weak" and that....
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TSgt (Join to see)
SFC Bob Chapman DEng - Let me begin with the fallacies in your debate:
Ad hominem by insulting Airmen as a whole, which is not professional, nor becoming of a retired NCO from any branch. I would say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I will not, since I do not believe you will be.
Red herring, by attempting to relate transgendered issues to an Airmen possibly passing out and injuring himself. Not the same subject, and a distraction from the original question. Once again, not indicative of a rational argument and will not be discussed in this thread.
Now that those are out of the way, let me tell you a little of my history: I was an SABC instructor at the tri-base area (RAF Mildenhall, RAF Lakenheath, and RAF Feltwell) from 2014 to January of 2017. One of the doctors who taught my initial course for being certified informed us that kneeling is actually a generally more proper procedure than sitting down or remaining upright, as it allows blood flow to the brain without risking the legs remaining locked while sitting, as well as preventing blood from rushing away from your brain too quickly, as sitting will quickly draw blood from your brain and into your legs. Lying down is the optimal thing to do, as it helps distribute it more evenly while there being minimal risk to your body if in fact you were to pass out.
Your statements are not professional, nor proper for an NCO, retired or not. If you have rational arguments, please put them forward. If not, then silence would preserve your image and integrity the best. But it's up to you.
Ad hominem by insulting Airmen as a whole, which is not professional, nor becoming of a retired NCO from any branch. I would say you should be ashamed of yourself, but I will not, since I do not believe you will be.
Red herring, by attempting to relate transgendered issues to an Airmen possibly passing out and injuring himself. Not the same subject, and a distraction from the original question. Once again, not indicative of a rational argument and will not be discussed in this thread.
Now that those are out of the way, let me tell you a little of my history: I was an SABC instructor at the tri-base area (RAF Mildenhall, RAF Lakenheath, and RAF Feltwell) from 2014 to January of 2017. One of the doctors who taught my initial course for being certified informed us that kneeling is actually a generally more proper procedure than sitting down or remaining upright, as it allows blood flow to the brain without risking the legs remaining locked while sitting, as well as preventing blood from rushing away from your brain too quickly, as sitting will quickly draw blood from your brain and into your legs. Lying down is the optimal thing to do, as it helps distribute it more evenly while there being minimal risk to your body if in fact you were to pass out.
Your statements are not professional, nor proper for an NCO, retired or not. If you have rational arguments, please put them forward. If not, then silence would preserve your image and integrity the best. But it's up to you.
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CPT John Sheridan
In the UK and the Commonwealth, Reveille is played as part of Remembrance Day ceremonies. In that context, it signals the end of the period of reflection. Also, the British Reveille is a different tune than the American bugle call.
They were likely standing there for some time. After marching on, it was probably a couple of minutes before the two national anthems were played. Then, they had to wait for the Remebrance Day cannon, fired at 11:00, which is followed by 2 minutes of silent reflection. After that, Reveille.
Having served four years, when I was enlisted, in the Old Guard, I saw a few soldiers do the crash & burn during ceremonies. I remember one of the Marines from 8th & I crashing rather dramatically in a joint service ceremony at the Pentagon once and once at the White House during a state arrival, a sailor right in my line of sight from the South Portico took a little snooze on the lawn. I'm sure in that four years that it happened to airmen & coast guardsmen as well, but it was a long time ago and I don't remember everything.
They were likely standing there for some time. After marching on, it was probably a couple of minutes before the two national anthems were played. Then, they had to wait for the Remebrance Day cannon, fired at 11:00, which is followed by 2 minutes of silent reflection. After that, Reveille.
Having served four years, when I was enlisted, in the Old Guard, I saw a few soldiers do the crash & burn during ceremonies. I remember one of the Marines from 8th & I crashing rather dramatically in a joint service ceremony at the Pentagon once and once at the White House during a state arrival, a sailor right in my line of sight from the South Portico took a little snooze on the lawn. I'm sure in that four years that it happened to airmen & coast guardsmen as well, but it was a long time ago and I don't remember everything.
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LCpl Walter Bright
I remember being dressed out for a CG Inspection and the kid next to me locking his knees and passing out...he was laying down at attention lol...I’ve gotten dizzy and felt woozy a few times myself but held out
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