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Impressive take on the subjects tagged.
Condoleezza Rice on Removing Civil War Monuments: 'Sanitizing History to Make You Feel Better Is...
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Ms. Rice gives you an intelligent perspective, those protesting and tearing down monuments are letting emotion get the better of intelligence, if they have any.
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SSG Robert Webster
SGM Erik Marquez - Do not forget that the police and National Guard SHOULD have been between the two competing groups. And with their failure to do that that they and their government bosses, the City, the State, and the State Governor also precipitated what occurred. And as you have stated, there is ample evidence that they failed to fulfil their duties and responsibilities.
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SGM Erik Marquez
SSG Robert Webster - I want to think it was ineptitude, or slow communications that leaders did not understand the situation on the ground fast enough to deploy sufficient people, or just simple ignorance that they did not foresee that what happening was all but a foregone conclusion.
BUT, I see enough to wounder, did they city leadership let it happen for reason we can only guess at.
BUT, I see enough to wounder, did they city leadership let it happen for reason we can only guess at.
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SSG Robert Webster
SGM Erik Marquez - I think that they let it happen for a reason. Calling out the National Guard and moving them to Charlottesville, is highly indicative that both the city and state leadership foresaw what could and did occur. With that in mind, I believe that I can claim that they were complicit in what occurred.
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
MSgt Robert C Aldi - She wasn't even talking about Confederate monuments. Perhaps you should read the actual article.
This is what was asked and what she responded:
Do you think that, when we look at nine of our first twelve presidents as slave owners, should we start taking their statues down and say, we’re embarrassed by you?”
In a word, “no,” said Rice.
"I am a firm believer in 'keep your history before you.' So I don't actually want to rename things that were named for slave owners. I want us to have to look at those names, and realize what they did, and be able to tell our kids what they did and for them to have a sense of their own history.”
And nothing I said has anything to do with being black. You don't have to be black to read and understand history. My ability to read through things and realize why those statues were put up is the same as anyone else's ability.
This is what was asked and what she responded:
Do you think that, when we look at nine of our first twelve presidents as slave owners, should we start taking their statues down and say, we’re embarrassed by you?”
In a word, “no,” said Rice.
"I am a firm believer in 'keep your history before you.' So I don't actually want to rename things that were named for slave owners. I want us to have to look at those names, and realize what they did, and be able to tell our kids what they did and for them to have a sense of their own history.”
And nothing I said has anything to do with being black. You don't have to be black to read and understand history. My ability to read through things and realize why those statues were put up is the same as anyone else's ability.
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Very intelligent as usual, but intelligent isn't ruling our passions anymore, is it?
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SSgt Boyd Herrst
Why are all them peeps feeling butt/hurt all of. Sudden? Is it to say:
Look at me , I'm. butt-hurt also because what them leaders of our country done to those poor disadvantaged persons. Do they not know one of the biggest slave owners them days was a person-of-color? rant against that! Geez! Tearing down statues and ripping chapters out of books isn't going to change anything.. them statues are dark reminders to people.. would I look at them any different? Maybe,
I'm not going to get all but-hurt over it. I can't change what went on. I'm here and they were there!
All we can do is not let that history repeat itself now. Report slavery if we know it's happening(yes, it is happening. Foreign consulates from Africa and Middle East were known to advertise for people of their particular tribal linkage to work at the consulate.. they wanted. Them to be single if possible.. more chance of putting them in bondage.
A couple of worker-(slaves) escaped a African consulate in New York City or Chicago and got over to New Jersey or Indiana andwent to the police for help, they called FBI.. and it went from there, I hope the outcome was positive for them
Workers...
Look at me , I'm. butt-hurt also because what them leaders of our country done to those poor disadvantaged persons. Do they not know one of the biggest slave owners them days was a person-of-color? rant against that! Geez! Tearing down statues and ripping chapters out of books isn't going to change anything.. them statues are dark reminders to people.. would I look at them any different? Maybe,
I'm not going to get all but-hurt over it. I can't change what went on. I'm here and they were there!
All we can do is not let that history repeat itself now. Report slavery if we know it's happening(yes, it is happening. Foreign consulates from Africa and Middle East were known to advertise for people of their particular tribal linkage to work at the consulate.. they wanted. Them to be single if possible.. more chance of putting them in bondage.
A couple of worker-(slaves) escaped a African consulate in New York City or Chicago and got over to New Jersey or Indiana andwent to the police for help, they called FBI.. and it went from there, I hope the outcome was positive for them
Workers...
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SFC Kelly Fuerhoff
SSgt Boyd Herrst - Have some more Diet Racism with this statement: " Do they not know one of the biggest slave owners them days was a person-of-color?" Where? Not in the US. In Africa yes they owned slaves - why wouldn't they? Slavery has been a common theme of humanity as long as we have existed. No one has been exempt. But slaves in America completely different.
Yes slavery is happening - In America. It's called sex trafficking and it runs all over this country and through the heart of the Midwest.
Who is ripping up chapters of books? The only group of people I've seen try to re-write history are conservatives. They tried to do it in Texas with high school history books. They've tried to do it in other southern states. The Lost Causers have been doing it since the end of the Civil War.
Yes slavery is happening - In America. It's called sex trafficking and it runs all over this country and through the heart of the Midwest.
Who is ripping up chapters of books? The only group of people I've seen try to re-write history are conservatives. They tried to do it in Texas with high school history books. They've tried to do it in other southern states. The Lost Causers have been doing it since the end of the Civil War.
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SSG Robert Webster
Historical writings to the contrary of SFC Fuerhoff's contention:
Breen, T. H. (2004). "Myne Owne Ground" : Race and Freedom on Virginia's Eastern Shore, 1640–1676. New York: Oxford University Press. pp. 13–15. ISBN 0-19-972905-0.
Conlin, Joseph (2011). The American Past: A Survey of American History. Cengage Learning. p. 370. ISBN 978-1-111-34339-2.
Stampp, Kenneth M. The Peculiar Institution: Slavery in the Ante-Bellum South (1956) Survey
Stampp, Kenneth M. "Interpreting the Slaveholders' World: a Review." Agricultural History 1970 44(4): 407–12. ISSN 0002-1482
Oakes, James. The Ruling Race: A History of American Slaveholders. (1982) ISBN 0-393-31705-6
Kranz, Rachel (2004). African-American Business Leaders and Entrepreneurs. Infobase Publishing. p. 72. ISBN 1-4381-0779-X
Franklin, John Hope and Loren Schweninger. Runaway Slaves: Rebels on the Plantation. (1999) ISBN 0-19-508449-7
Berlin, Ira. Generations of Captivity: A History of African American Slaves. (2003) ISBN 0-674-01061-2.
Berlin, Ira. Many Thousands Gone: The First Two Centuries of Slavery in North America. Harvard University Press, 1998. ISBN 0-674-81092-9
Berlin, Ira and Ronald Hoffman, eds. Slavery and Freedom in the Age of the American Revolution University Press of Virginia, 1983. essays by scholars
Gates Jr.; Henry Louis (March 4, 2013). "Did Black People Own Slaves?". The Root.
Mason, Matthew. Slavery and Politics in the Early American Republic. (2006) ISBN 978-0-8078-3049-9
Koger, Larry (1985). "Foreword". Black Slaveowners: Free Black Masters in South Carolina, 1790–1860. Columbia, SC: University of South Carolina Press. ISBN 0-7864-5128-9
Breen, T. H. (2004). "Myne Owne Ground" : Race and Freedom on Virginia's Eastern Shore, 1640–1676. New York: Oxford University Press. pp. 13–15. ISBN 0-19-972905-0.
Conlin, Joseph (2011). The American Past: A Survey of American History. Cengage Learning. p. 370. ISBN 978-1-111-34339-2.
Stampp, Kenneth M. The Peculiar Institution: Slavery in the Ante-Bellum South (1956) Survey
Stampp, Kenneth M. "Interpreting the Slaveholders' World: a Review." Agricultural History 1970 44(4): 407–12. ISSN 0002-1482
Oakes, James. The Ruling Race: A History of American Slaveholders. (1982) ISBN 0-393-31705-6
Kranz, Rachel (2004). African-American Business Leaders and Entrepreneurs. Infobase Publishing. p. 72. ISBN 1-4381-0779-X
Franklin, John Hope and Loren Schweninger. Runaway Slaves: Rebels on the Plantation. (1999) ISBN 0-19-508449-7
Berlin, Ira. Generations of Captivity: A History of African American Slaves. (2003) ISBN 0-674-01061-2.
Berlin, Ira. Many Thousands Gone: The First Two Centuries of Slavery in North America. Harvard University Press, 1998. ISBN 0-674-81092-9
Berlin, Ira and Ronald Hoffman, eds. Slavery and Freedom in the Age of the American Revolution University Press of Virginia, 1983. essays by scholars
Gates Jr.; Henry Louis (March 4, 2013). "Did Black People Own Slaves?". The Root.
Mason, Matthew. Slavery and Politics in the Early American Republic. (2006) ISBN 978-0-8078-3049-9
Koger, Larry (1985). "Foreword". Black Slaveowners: Free Black Masters in South Carolina, 1790–1860. Columbia, SC: University of South Carolina Press. ISBN 0-7864-5128-9
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