Posted on May 22, 2017
Nearly half of females failed to graduate Army Infantry training, standards were also lowered
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I have no problem with a 50% fail rate...none. I have a World of problem with standards being lowered, and every citizen that understands what this mean to our entire Nation should too. Because the PT standards are lower for females, it may be time to consider MOS specific standards?
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SSG Jeff Dancinger
SPC (Join to see) - I thought Basic Training consisted of Trainees going for all different MOS's. What good would it do to send someone to Basic Training who had pre-trained for an MOS PT Test?
Are Basic and AIT, MOS specific now?
Are Basic and AIT, MOS specific now?
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SPC Douglas Hearron
Absolutely if anyone male or female wants to join a combat unit the standards should be the same regardless.
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PFC William Mower
Well said MSG Brad Sand if a soldier can't hack he or she becomes a danger to the whole unit.
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I maintain that if you lower standards so people can have that feel good feeling for passing and being "special "then you are setting yourself and everyone else above you up for failure. If anyone can pass then you cannot really depend on the personnel when TSHF. They have not had any real stress. There was a "soldier " when I went to basic that flipped out because he had fire guard duty and he had to be alone for an hour or two. I am overjoyed that he didn't make it and that I didn't have to depend on him during any of my combat tours.
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MSG Brad Sand
SFC George Sease
People can have a feel good feeling for a while, but they will pay a price in blood for that temporary good feeling, and so will everyone around them.
People can have a feel good feeling for a while, but they will pay a price in blood for that temporary good feeling, and so will everyone around them.
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SSG Eduardo Ybarra Jr. MS Psyc
So why have people pay that price in blood just so some female can say "I'm in the Infantry". Really do you think for one instance that the standards were not lowered for them? If you believe they weren't, I'll sell you a bridge.
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IMO, combat readyness is not about making people happy. If you lower standards, you will be weak.
Raise standards and let anyone try out.
There is a reason you do not see many women on men's
Raise standards and let anyone try out.
There is a reason you do not see many women on men's
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Cpl Mark A. Morris
MSG Brad Sand - I am confident MSG, we both love women and want them to achieve all they wish to. But, combat readyness, unless standards are lowered, require a high level of physical strength and endurance. Not all men and even fewer women can pass the requirements.
However, that is not what this is about. It is about upward mobility in rank by a few causing the many to be swept along an agenda and effecting combat readyness.
A very selfesh act on the part of a few Sir. IMO.
When I returned from overseas in late winter of 1990, I saw a female in the motor pool wearing scrubs. I asked her if the Navy had taken over the motor pool? (As you know, Marines don't have much and have to get rides.) She stated she was a Marine.
I was older by then and knew to keep my pie hole shut. There was no way she went though the same requirements I did. She looked like 150lbs of chewed bubblegum.
I walked out and had about a year left on my contract.
Have a good day MSG.
However, that is not what this is about. It is about upward mobility in rank by a few causing the many to be swept along an agenda and effecting combat readyness.
A very selfesh act on the part of a few Sir. IMO.
When I returned from overseas in late winter of 1990, I saw a female in the motor pool wearing scrubs. I asked her if the Navy had taken over the motor pool? (As you know, Marines don't have much and have to get rides.) She stated she was a Marine.
I was older by then and knew to keep my pie hole shut. There was no way she went though the same requirements I did. She looked like 150lbs of chewed bubblegum.
I walked out and had about a year left on my contract.
Have a good day MSG.
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MSG Brad Sand
Cpl Mark A. Morris -
Here is my fear, and yes there are a few women in our Nation and Army that could do everything we ask men to do and more but the majority cannot, and we are risking the lives of those that cannot, can, the men with them and the Nation they defend to provide some 'upward mobility'? This 'upward mobility' is going to have a steep price in blood and lives. Even sadder to me, it will have a long term negative (IMHO) effect on our society because in reality it is degrading to women. Like most things from the Left, the way they make everyone equal is by dragging everyone down to the same level. The people pushing this do not care that men and women are different, not one better than the other but still different, and instead of attempting tap into the best of both genders to make the military the best, they decided to ignore the truth and the facts and force round pegs into square holes?
These things ALWAY have a price to pay. With this issue, the ultimate price will be paid on the battlefield, will be paid in blood and this price will be way too high.
Here is my fear, and yes there are a few women in our Nation and Army that could do everything we ask men to do and more but the majority cannot, and we are risking the lives of those that cannot, can, the men with them and the Nation they defend to provide some 'upward mobility'? This 'upward mobility' is going to have a steep price in blood and lives. Even sadder to me, it will have a long term negative (IMHO) effect on our society because in reality it is degrading to women. Like most things from the Left, the way they make everyone equal is by dragging everyone down to the same level. The people pushing this do not care that men and women are different, not one better than the other but still different, and instead of attempting tap into the best of both genders to make the military the best, they decided to ignore the truth and the facts and force round pegs into square holes?
These things ALWAY have a price to pay. With this issue, the ultimate price will be paid on the battlefield, will be paid in blood and this price will be way too high.
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Jayden Manning
Call me stupid get the female to take a blood test for testorone levels early on so our military have an idea of who has a better chance
Higher testorone
1. Makes a person higley competive
2. Prone to being an athlete
3. See if she is bult good on mussle
Real issue can she lift a grown man if need be can she Cary her own
Can you depend on her questions I've even asked my self being a young male who is 63in 118lb before I could make my final choice
Not for anything all genders are you mentally fit to handle it if not don't join or find a different mos maybe
Higher testorone
1. Makes a person higley competive
2. Prone to being an athlete
3. See if she is bult good on mussle
Real issue can she lift a grown man if need be can she Cary her own
Can you depend on her questions I've even asked my self being a young male who is 63in 118lb before I could make my final choice
Not for anything all genders are you mentally fit to handle it if not don't join or find a different mos maybe
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