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Cpl Jeff N.
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More of the anti-LEO crap from, the progressives. In their vapid little minds it is perfectly fine for them to show cops as brutal, racist pigs because that is the narrative they want out there.

They would deny agreeing with it but say "it is just the artists representation of his/her life's experience, blah, blah blah. It is a falsehood built on a mountain of lies by the left, BLM and other anti police organizations.

If the picture was of college professors wearing swastikas in their classes demanding compliance from their students, I wonder if they would hang it up.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
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This just goes to show how far we have gone down a rabbit hole in the past several years. When the folks that make the laws have a disdain for the ones that are to enforce them it is a slap in the face. The police these days are on the front lines everyday walking into situations most times they have no idea of what they are walking into. If they shoot a perp because he had a gun and was approaching them to do danger suddenly he was an angel of a child that just got caught up in the system...then the federal govt sends someone to visit with the victims family not the cop who had to kill someone to save his own or nearby folks life. Now we are portraying it in the vey halls that are supposed to lead our government??? It is apparent that kindergarten rules are the order of the day in congress and we can't be adult enough to see the damage it costs and can't get to real business. Certainly there are bad cops but there are just as many good ones...only problem is that good news doesn't sell!!! This needs to be hung in the Congressman's office, not in common areas.
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SPC Kevin Ford
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Hey as long as we can pretend a problem doesn't exist then everything is fine. Just lock it away, look the other direction, nothing to see here.

Yeah I agree it isn't fair to the many cops who are just doing their jobs, but then again neither is being killed by the ones that are not. The purpose of the painting is to draw attention to the treatment of the black community by society as a whole, and the police are just one part of it. It seems like a better solution would be to deal with the problems that underlay why the kid painted what he did instead of hiding it away.
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PO1 Michael Fullmer
PO1 Michael Fullmer
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SPC Kevin Ford - The majority of those shot WERE involved in some kind of criminal activity and in possession of a weapon, or they wouldn't have been shot. Are mistakes sometimes made, absolutely. The less than 1% of cops who ARE bad, like in most groups, tend to give ALL members of that group a bad name, and it is those of us in the remainder who have to suffer through the retribution of others. This year (2017) is only 10 days old, and already we have had 2 officers lost. Yes, I might just be biased but I've been around the block enough time to know that not all members of a race, or group of people are bad. It's just those who are that get the coverage. Hope this makes some sense?
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SPC Kevin Ford - How can you disagree with a fact? That's like saying you disagree that the sun is bright.... but ok lets let that one pass..

What about the rest of what I said, you clutched to the cops kill people for no reason and lie about it, what about the fact that the majority of the issues stem from Democrat run City's and States? Do you not see a correlation in that? A Man was chocked out and had a heart attack because the police were enforcing the States law that no loose cigarettes can be sold. The law was put in place by Democrats to increase tax revenue and attempt to force people to stop doing something the left doesn't agree with. In Short the nanny State killed a man. What no comment on that? More laws make more Criminals, More Criminals = more money for the state. The Police are required to enforce the laws written by the cities and the state.. So is it a Cop problem or is it a Government Problem?
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC Kevin Ford
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CPO (Join to see) - It means that I think some of what you say is not true or interpreted in a fallacious way. This is why I talk about understanding logic in the other thread. For example, you state, "...what about the fact that the majority of the issues stem from Democrat run City's and States? Do you not see a correlation in that? " First we'd have to understand the difference between correlation and causation. There is a high level of correlation between sexual assaults and ice cream sales, what conclusion should I draw from that? Correlation is not causation and we shouldn't pretend they are or try and make conclusions that can only be drawn based on causation if we only have correlation.

You also imply that the officers who choked out the person in NYC were somehow not or less responsible for their conduct in the arrest because the law that prompted the stop was put in place by Democrats. Let's just say I don't agree with that idea. The only person responsible for the conduct of an officer in an arrest, is the officer. A legislator should not have to decide not to make a law because officers may act in an inappropriate way enforcing the law.

As far as the painting depicting all cops as bad, the painting only pictured one anonymous officer. Cops are civil servants and thus subject to review and criticism, just like any other civil servant. The idea of who polices the police has been a problem that societies have always been struggling with. Trying to make it so they are somehow exempt from review or criticism is not a good idea.

To be clear I do support the police but I also hold them to high standards. We all should.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC Kevin Ford
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PO1 Michael Fullmer - I'd agree with the majority or officers are good, yes. The problem is there are enough bad apples out there that are screwing it up for all the good apples. It gets even worse when video shows that other officers covered for a bad actor on the force. This is a serious problem because it degrades the public trust in the police. It is absolutely corrosive.

It needs to be clean out and not covered up. It was bad when priests molested children but it was much worse when it was discovered that the Catholic Church acted to cover it up. That's a big part of the problem that is eroding the public trust in the police. It's not that the majority of police are bad, it is likely the opposite. The problem is that every time they get caught out in an unjustified shooting and video shows that other officers may have been involved in covering it up, it destroys the public trust. One bad incident invalidates a thousand good incidents in the public's perception. We need to tackle that head on.
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