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Command Post What is this?
Posted on Jan 28, 2019
GEN George Casey
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PO1 Steve Newton
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I agree with SPC Steven Wolfe. "That I will continue to uphold the Oath I took to Support and Defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic and that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same." Would make a great addition to the creed.
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SSG Samuel Kermon
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A 'Veterans Creed' is nice but unnecessary in my opinion. My oath at enlistment, and subsequent times in reenlisting have not ended just because I no longer wear the uniform. The oath doesn't have a shelf life but is endearing, enduring and unending. My humble opinion.
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SFC Patrick Machayo
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How come the VA does not do more to assist veterans to compete for federal contracting via disabled veteran set asides under executive order 13320?
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SSG Jeffrey Monk
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Because they are failing to up hold their Values and creeds.
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PO1 Mac MacIntyre
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I wasn't aware that the oath I took when I enlisted had an expiration date? Maybe we need less creeds brought forward for veterans and more promises kept by those in Washington.
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PO1 C Arnold
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The only way you can enforce this is come to my house and see if I'll open the door to recite it for you. I don't recommend that...
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SSG Phil Miller
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Hahaha. I concur. It's friggin' stupid.
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PO1 C Arnold
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LOL This HAS to be fake news!
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SGT Craig Northacker
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Edited 6 y ago
Creeds are useful only if recognized and observed. Our government has a sordid record of fraud and corruption as well as unfortunate choices with respect to operating in other countries going back to, say, Vietnam. When our government operates in this manner, and government employees are not held accountable, nor our elected officials, then yet another creed is form over substance. Nice thought, looks good, it's a nice press release for the VSO's, but at the end of the day without meaning. I believe in the values and lead my life accordingly - but that's me. Civilians have created enormous roadblocks, and when the judiciary system gets involved - the dysfunction takes on another layer of system failure. I relate this through bitter experience.

A corollary to this is the corruption inside the VA, where executives too often use their position as a launching pad for the next step in their career, and often taking contracts with them. Sometimes illegally. The VBA roots its decisions in the massive frauds committed by one of the first directors of the newly minted Veterans Bureau in 1921. Col Forbes managed to embezzle $200 million between 1921 and 1924 when he was bounced by the Senate. During this same time he denied 85% of WW1 veteran claims for disability. Fruit of the vine - if the vine is rotten, so is the fruit. A well established legal tenet that has been consistently ignored since 1924.

One group of people observing values stands no chance when working with a disreputable group. Unless and until both sides work honorably with each other, the creed will cause more harm than good to the group observing it with respect to traction with the other group. The VHA, by and large with unfortunate exceptions, is light years away from what it was in the 70's when I got out with drunken Operation Paperclip doctors. They have done as good a job for me or better than civilian institutions. The VBA still hides in the shadows of their enormous initial fraud. I met with a senior OMB executive who agreed that VBA denials cost taxpayers far more than the VA saves when productivity hits, administrative and program expenses from other Agencies, broken families and other drags on the GNP are totaled. We both came to this conclusion with our independent projections. Incredibly, when he asked for detailed information from the Agencies to prepare an accurate assessment, he got the same answer I did when I asked - look in the budget. That information on the table caused us to have a quiet rest of the lunch contemplating the enormous stupidity plaguing those trying to make good policy assessments. You would think it would be simple to get information for the President from his own Agencies, but, as he stated, you would be wrong.

What chance do we have?
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SPC Angela Burnham
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I think this is a good idea, just wish more people too their creeds and oaths to heart.
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SGT Jim Ramge, MBA
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Good intentions gone wrong? As I read through a lot of the complaints, I understand them and can empathize...
It seems as if the Veterans groups have organized a mission statement of how to be a Veteran for those curiously questioning how to do so - although many find it quite easy to relate to their military service teachings and continue to live by what they learned.
Furthermore, I find it a bit odd that the military has been around for almost 250 years and we now feel the need to tell Veterans how to act upon departure!
I feel as if it is almost a slap in the face to many, because didn’t the services already train these fine folks once - did they become dumb upon issuance of a DD214? Do we all of the sudden have issues with Veterans acting unacceptable? Are there new statistics to show the rise of failures of Veterans actions? Would have much rather have seen these funds go towards getting homeless Veterans off the streets during the latest Arctic blast!
Thank you for sharing GEN Casey.
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CPL Larry Frias Jr
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Wow …that Veterans Creed …it’s important to remember time serve !!!
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