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Posted on Jul 19, 2018
SSG Gerhard S.
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Maj John Bell
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For those who chose not serve and stuck around to face the music. I disagree, but respect.

For those that avoided service, but used the rules to do it. I don't like it, but harbor no ill will. "The rules is the rules."

For those that ran, they made a choice and they should live by their choice. I don't like them standing on American soil, breathing American Air, and enjoying American freedom. I forgive, but do not forget. I don't go looking for a pissing contest, but If they bring up the subject, I'm not going to pussyfoot around it. As far as I am concerned, they are not to be trusted.
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SPC Cliff Lancaste
SPC Cliff Lancaste
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - The one who has one less deferment than our current CIC?
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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SPC Cliff Lancaste -
And Your Statement Is Based Upon...?
If Possible, Produce Some Evidence. Although It's Not Always Available,
But It Does Help When We Have It... ~~ I'm NOT Criticizing, ~~
I'm Just Making A Comment, Hopefully To Be Of Use To Us All.
Thanks Cliff ~ Much Appreciated..
From What I UNDERSTAND Though: Biden's Deferments Were College And Breathing (Asthma) Related.-- Whereas Fred Trump, Donald's Father, Was Done The Favor By A Doctor To Falsify Donald's Medical Records ~ As The Doctor Had Offices Located In A Trump Property. (Stated By The 2 Daughters After Their Fathers Death) ~~ I'm NOT Positive Of It's Total Correctness.. But Simply From Reading Various Information On This Subject.
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SPC Cliff Lancaste
SPC Cliff Lancaste
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I assumed you were talking about Trump.
He had 4 deferments, Biden had 5 deferments.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/16/fact-check-biden-received-multiple-draft-deferments-vietnam/ [login to see] /
If you were talking about someone else, then I am sorry I misunderstood.
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Maj John Bell
Maj John Bell
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - I posted this much earlier in this thread. I'll post it again and a few others that I think are relevant to your comments

_Both Braunstein daughters admit to being anti-Trump.
_Both Braunstein daughters claim it was open discussion among the family. However no other family member has stepped up to confirm their story.
_Both Braunstein daughters would have been under 7 years of age at the time of Donald Trump's diagnoses.
_The younger Braunstein daughter Elysa, was unsure that her father ever examined Donald Trump. “It was family lore,” Elysa Braunstein told the Times, adding that the story was “something we would always discuss” among family and friends. However, such a discussion among family and friends, even into the adulthood of the Brunstein daughters would have disgraced the doctor and probably cost him his license.
_Dr Braunstein's partner, in the practice and close friend, Dr Hochstein denied ever having heard such a story from his business partner and friend.
_Dr. Weinstein, another Podiatrist, and tenant in a different building owned by Fred Trump stated in 1997 that he, not Dr. Braunstein, was the doctor that provided the diagnoses to the draft board.
Source:"Did a Queens Podiatrist Help Donald Trump Avoid Vietnam?" by Steve Eder, NYT, December 26, 2018

Donald Trump may or may not have had political aspirations at the time. But he most certainly had aspirations of being a power player in New York City. In the context of the time (late 1960's - early 1970's) any whiff of draft dodging by the older established NYC elite would have killed those aspirations.

Donald Trump may or may not have had political aspirations at the time. But he most certainly had aspirations of being a power player in New York City. In the context of the time (late 1960's - early 1970's) any whiff of draft dodging by the older established NYC elite would have killed those aspirations
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I agree with you that I want men and women serving that are joining of their own free will. I do not agree with you that a draft is slavery. I volunteered and knew that I would be going to Vietnam. I never gave any thought to draft dodgers. What bothered me were the scum bags that greeted me at LAX when I returned from Vietnam. They tried to block my way, asked me how many babies had I killed, told me to repent for my sins, etc. I was in uniform flying military standby. One of the hardest things that I have ever done, was not confronting these scum bags.
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SSgt James Jones
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SPC Lyle Montgomery I think you are agreeing with me. The draft has nothing to do with slavery.
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1SG Mark Rodgers
1SG Mark Rodgers
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SSgt James Jones - There is a yes and a No in both statements! Can you walk away when drafted? No. The next question is of same thought.. Just think about the parallel!
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CPL Joe Brown
CPL Joe Brown
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I concur about those scumbags, especially when we DEROSE'D back from Vietnam and had to go through Oakland Army base. Hippies and Berkeley dandies throwing tomatoes and eggs on us we went through the gate...I will never forget..or forgive any of those phonies.
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SP6 Greg Jetter
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agree 100% , in 72 the war was ending , i was returning home from basic training in uniform , got harassed the same at the airport. These assholes are now running the government .
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As a Viet Nam era enlistee I chose to enlist. I didn't run off to Canada. I am admittedly more upset with folks like Kerry & McCain that embellished their own record, profited from it and have become national embarrassments. Lack of information is the biggest enemy. If the reasons were legitimate I have no problems with deferments.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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CSM Thomas Ray -
One Of The Things About "Bone Spurs" Many Are NOT Aware Of Is
"When One HAS Bone Spurs, The Area Can Be Numbed With An Injection
And Massaged Off The Bony Area." ~ BUT It's Been Stated By The 2 Daughters Of The Doctor, Whom DID Trumps Diagnosis, "He Had NO Bone Spurs, Their Father Was Paid By Fred Trump To Report It As Such, To Have His Son Donald, Deferred From Serving,~ On FIVE (5) Different Occasions: ~~ READ As FOLLOWS ~
~~~~~~Dr. Elysa Braunstein and Sharon Kessel — the daughters of Dr. Larry Braunstein, who died in 2007 — say their father was one of Fred Trump’s tenants at the time, setting up his podiatry practice in the Trump-owned Edgerton Apartments in Jamaica, Queens. Though they are unsure whether their dad actually examined the then 22-year-old Donald Trump, the sisters say that he often spoke of signing off on the diagnosis that kept Trump out of the war. The doctor also gave them the impression that Trump didn’t actually have bone spurs, but he said otherwise to help keep him out of the draft, they say.

“I know it was a favor,” Braunstein told the New York Times, noting her father’s cordial relationship with Trump’s real estate developer father.

“What he got was access to Fred Trump,” she added. “If there was anything wrong in the building, my dad would call and Trump would take care of it immediately. That was the small favor that he got.”

The sisters say they recall their father’s friend and fellow podiatrist, Dr. Manny Weinstein, was also somehow involved with the bone spur diagnosis. Weinstein died in 1995.~~~~
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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CSM Thomas Ray -
DID PRESIDENT BIDEN GET ANY DRAFT DEFERMENTS?
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Prior to the election, rumors began to circulate on Facebook that Biden had deferred the draft on a number of occasions during the Vietnam War. The post went viral in part because conservatives saw it as a way to rebut Democratic claims that former President Trump had dodged the draft. Biden, who was born in 1942, could have been drafted into service in the war. 

Although he was the right age, Biden never served because he received a number of deferrals from the draft during his time in college. He first received deferrals while an undergraduate at the University of Delaware, and later during his time in law school at Syracuse University. Biden eventually received a medical exam in 1968, after which he received a "1-Y" classification. 

That classification meant that Biden could not be drafted unless there was a national emergency. In 2008, when Biden was seeking the presidency in the Democratic primary, he released his selective service record to the press. At the time, his records said that he was disqualified from service because of asthma that he suffered from as a teenager. 
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now For TRUMP~~~~~~~~~~
Although neither Biden or Trump personally served in the military the issue of respect for the military dominated a large chunk of the 2020 presidential campaign. The issue stemmed largely from comments that Trump had reportedly made that many felt were disrespectful to the millitary. In reporting from The Atlantic, Trump said that those who died in the military were "losers" and "suckers."

The Biden campaign used those comments to suggest that Trump didn't have the respect for military service that was necessary to serve as commander in chief. It was just one of many issues that were raised over the course of a long and brutal campaign, and it's unclear if any one issue, including the coronavirus pandemic, proved to be decisive in Trump's ultimate defeat in November. Still, his comments about the military probably didn't help him.
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CPL Joe Brown
CPL Joe Brown
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - I concur about cadet bone spurs...it was a cheap shot below the belt to those of us that had to go.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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CPL Joe Brown -
I Wasn't DRAFTED ~~ I ENLISTED On My 17th Birthday 06/29/1961 ~
~One Of My Best Decision Ever~ Changed My Life For The Better, And Were It NOT For The PAY, It Would Have Been My Career Of Choice. My TOP Pay ~ Overseas In South Korea ~ $173.00 Per MONTH. ~ Even The Counter Help At McDonald's Pays 3 - 4 Times As Much ~~ I've Even Known, The Ranks From E-5 On Down, With Families ~~ On Social Services For Enough To Survive On.~~ Just "Not My Cup Of Tea"...
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