WW3. Is it time for the World to liberate North Korea from this crazy Regime and get back to having just one Korea?

2016-09-10T15:48:47-04:00

I believe there's only one way out of this situation. No one in North Korea wants to be there under this rule. We should all go in, take him out, remove the border and the South Korean President becomes the new Korean president. And now North Korea turns into a modern, contributing, safe, and prosperous nation. Families will finally be reunited and free. Pretty soon we'll be forced into this.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Sep 10 at 2016 4:02 PM

2016-09-10T16:02:26-04:00

Have you ever been there. I have twice and my father before me at the Chosin. It's not just the North Koreans, you have to think about the Chinese too. Screw them and let rot, when the people get fed up enough they will deal with it. The DAMN place is not worth another single American life.
Now if we have to defend South Korea I am in.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2016 4:14 PM

2016-09-10T16:14:48-04:00

We have no right to wage war on a nation because we don't like their government. If they ever decide to invade South Korea, the government will be replaced... until then, we should just leave them alone.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2016 4:33 PM

2016-09-10T16:33:49-04:00

I want to make sure that I am understanding what you are proposing.

You propose to send in a coalition (I would hope) of world force, into a Nuclear Armed nation to take out a leader that purportedly kills members of his cabinet for nodding during speeches, and kills family members in his military leadership? This action would be backed by a nation's military who has been stretched for 15 years of deployments and now, more recently a shredding of numbers? This is on top of a desert warfare mentality that would need to rapidly switch it's focus back to conditions that are more common on the Korean Peninsula.

Additionally, where would the PRK allies fall in on this. Specifically China who might see this as a threat to their security and interests, as well as our growing tension with Russia.

I agree that PRK is a big irritation, and perhaps the answer is targeted, precision attacks and increased sanctions. But no, I don't think the situation has grown quite to the place where an invasion is warranted. I am quite sure that PRK, more specifically Kim, will readily use whatever NBC arsenal it has. This action would cause immense casualties.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2016 4:45 PM

2016-09-10T16:45:56-04:00

I read over the options for your poll a few times and did not see "Send Jason Bourne to kill the crazy short dude in the North." Not sure if you forgot it or what.

I clicked other.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2016 4:48 PM

2016-09-10T16:48:43-04:00

I'm conflicted. I don't want to see my brothers and sisters put in harms way for something that could be avoided but at the same time I want to see North Korea fall.

Response by PVT Mark Brown made Sep 10 at 2016 10:43 PM

2016-09-10T22:43:36-04:00

There was no reason that we caved in the war like we did in Vietnam. I still feel we should go back, kick the fat man outta there and back a single nation Korean pennsulia.

Response by SMSgt Roy Dowdy made Sep 10 at 2016 11:29 PM

2016-09-10T23:29:20-04:00

We blew our chance in March 1951, to liberate the North would cost drastically too much treasure not to mention a drain South Korea's economy.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2016 12:02 AM

2016-09-11T00:02:35-04:00

I say just send in Chuck!

Response by SSG Billyray Musselman made Sep 11 at 2016 12:30 PM

2016-09-11T12:30:41-04:00

The United States has waited to long to take real action. Every min we wait, they get stronger and more powerful while collecting nukes. Sanctions and diplomacy have obviously failed. The U.S. needs to come up with a different plan on dealing with North Korea. There will come a time where north korea isn't bluffing on its threats and like always we will also do nothing. It's a sad truth.

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Sep 11 at 2016 2:16 PM

2016-09-11T14:16:43-04:00

I would prefer for them to do their own dirty work. I know that would be tough, but there have been examples of just that happening to get rid of bad leaders.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Sep 11 at 2016 11:29 PM

2016-09-11T23:29:33-04:00

General Douglas who?

Response by CPT Tom Monahan made Sep 13 at 2016 6:30 AM

2016-09-13T06:30:54-04:00

SSG Burns: Are you willing to send your child to intervene in overthrowing N. Korea? Last time we pushed them back to their side we had direct combat with China. Yes, people in N. Korea are living in abject poverty and their leader is a nut. We need to pressure regional powers to press for change. The USA can not continue to serve as the World's police force. Additionally, we need to make sure any of their Nuc Tech doesn't leave their country.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2016 7:45 AM

2016-09-13T07:45:11-04:00

There is little to no real infrastructure so invading North Korea after casualties will still cost hundreds of billions of dollars to modernize the people and bring them close to the level of prosperity in South Korea

Response by MAJ Richard Sturdevant made Sep 13 at 2016 7:55 AM

2016-09-13T07:55:34-04:00

While I might agree with the idea of liberating an oppressed people. We did that with Iraq. Is Iraq a better place now because of what we did? Is the world a better place? Also, how do you know how the populace feels about living there? On average, a portion of the population doesn't agree with the policies that take place within the US. Should some foreign power have the right to come in and liberate us from what they perceive to be our oppressors?

Response by SSG Jessica Bautista made Sep 13 at 2016 9:42 AM

2016-09-13T09:42:51-04:00

Any actual Koreans have an opinion here?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2016 9:44 AM

2016-09-13T09:44:51-04:00

How about not only no but he'll no. We have our troops spread out too thin and it would cost way too much not only monetarily but in a large human toll as well.

The United States needs to stop worrying so much about the international stage and start sweeping its own porch.

Response by Cpl Dr Ronnie Manns made Sep 13 at 2016 9:48 AM

2016-09-13T09:48:26-04:00

Considering our record on "liberation of other countries" we may wish to refrain from trying that again, what it does appear to be for me is China getting tired of financially holding up North Korea and being responsible for any act they perform so the Iran Nuclear Deal seems like a decent fit for North Korea. Instead of bombs, bullets and bandages, let's try diplomacy and if diplomacy fails we have not lost anything especially lives.

Response by PO2 Richard C. made Sep 13 at 2016 10:00 AM

2016-09-13T10:00:18-04:00

Short answer - No! You are making an assumption that "no one in North Korea wants to be there".
The level of brainwashing accomplished with the general populace is unprecedented and rivals or exceeds that in George Orwell's "1984". Think about this - During WWII, thousands of Okinawan citizens committed suicide by jumping off cliffs (parents threw their children off or held them while they jumped) because their military told them the Americans would rape, torture and slaughter every man, woman and child they captured. That happened after probably less than 10 years of brainwashing. The North Koreans have been getting more aggressive brainwashing reinforced by torture, deprivation and murder for 60 years more or less, and most of them absolutely believe what their government tells them. We don't want to get in the middle of that unless/until we have no choice.

Response by SFC Ralph Dunlap made Sep 13 at 2016 11:29 AM

2016-09-13T11:29:47-04:00

We are not the watch dog of the world anymore. Did South Korea ask for help if they decide to invade and unite North and South? Please add up the military lives lost starting with Korea, Vietnam to present. Was it worth the outcome?

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Sep 13 at 2016 11:38 AM

2016-09-13T11:38:22-04:00

Not only no but hell no. It will implode one day and South Korea will likely move in to clean the mess up (ala the Germanies).

No more nation building, let the Norks settle their own.

Response by SFC Charles Temm made Sep 13 at 2016 11:46 AM

2016-09-13T11:46:25-04:00

Not only no but hell no.

No more nation building or toppling dictators. Let the Norks settle their own problems. When N. Korea finally does implode, let the South Koreans move in to clean things up just like when the Wall fell in Germany

Response by SSG Wally Lawver made Sep 13 at 2016 12:23 PM

2016-09-13T12:23:32-04:00

Just like when we fixed Iraq by removing Hussein (then I did deployments to that country from my 20s-40s, we fixed it so good:).......I am certain China would love having USA conducting a war in Korea w/out them.........

Response by SGT Mark Sullivan made Sep 13 at 2016 2:05 PM

2016-09-13T14:05:44-04:00

I think we should. But, there is a larger issue at stake. Chinese involvement would be a big problem in this endeavour. They may bring forth their military and propaganda machine to bear in defense of this regime. Before we make this decision we need to be prepared for this contingency, both at home and throughout the world.

Response by LTC Marc King made Sep 13 at 2016 3:15 PM

2016-09-13T15:15:21-04:00

While the idea of deposing the leaders of the North and replacing them with the leaders of the South seems like the ideal solution it lack the nuance and stealth that this matter needs to be handled with. The immediate threat from the North is the ballistic missiles launched from a sub. What should be happening is that when of their 70 odd subs sally's into the open ocean it might encounter a serious mechanical problem, flood and be lost with all hands... it happens and no one really knows why! Just bad quality control on those diving valves... just say'in...

Response by Dr. James Wasson made Sep 13 at 2016 3:38 PM

2016-09-13T15:38:20-04:00

Need to get China to agree

Response by SFC Jerry Humphries made Sep 13 at 2016 3:41 PM

2016-09-13T15:41:15-04:00

You understand given the current crazy North Korean Leadership, we might just be starting World War III right her on Rally Point by having this discussion.

Response by SFC Jerry Humphries made Sep 13 at 2016 4:30 PM

2016-09-13T16:30:07-04:00

I think perhaps we should suggest that China invade and take it over NK. That way China not threatened by us and we are rid of a big pain in the butt.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2016 5:46 PM

2016-09-13T17:46:00-04:00

There's not enough juice in this for the squeeze. It would cost trillions of dollars to merge the two countries, not counting the cost of the war. Also, have you noticed how close Seoul is to the DMZ? Millions of innocent lives right there...the carnage would be unthinkable. We may have to take the fight north some day, but we should only do so as a last resort, and not do so in a cavalier manner.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2016 6:15 PM

2016-09-13T18:15:27-04:00

Only if we're going to do it the "right" way. Go in, kill anyone that doesn't look like us, impose our terms of surrender.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Sep 13 at 2016 6:20 PM

2016-09-13T18:20:43-04:00

The biggest issue that I see with finally taking out NK is not necessarily China (I don't see them falling on their sword for little Kim). It's that any large scale military action would devastate SK and destroy the 60+years of economic and social progress they have achieved since the end of the Korean War. The ROKs would definitely would not be down for that, and without their complete cooperation, any war against the north is simply not feasible.

Response by Cpl Lester Anderson made Sep 13 at 2016 7:34 PM

2016-09-13T19:34:48-04:00

No disrespect SSGT, but this is a monumentally stupid idea. The United States government is already way too financially overextended as it is, and our military is stretched even thinner than our budget. Plus, what little information comes out of North Korea paints the picture of their government modernizing their military with technology and systems that equal ours. If the USA went to war with North Korea again, for any reason, it would be a long, protracted standoff. Just like the 1950's.
And to think your reason is philosophical?? Going to war just because "it's time to liberate the North Korean people for Justice and Freedom." Are you crazy, or just a "special" kind of moron? The North Korean government currently poses no major threat to the people or territory of the United States. All indications are that if the United States leaves the North Korean nation alone, they will leave us alone.

Your justification for taking the US military to war is the most juvenile and greedy reason I have ever heard.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Sep 13 at 2016 10:15 PM

2016-09-13T22:15:16-04:00

Look at North Korea before you decide to send our forces up there. It's a very difficult place to operate, lots of mountain ridges, very canalized terrain. The DPRK has had decades to fortify their home turf. Taking away their ability to strike the RoK or Japan will not be easy. I don't necessarily have the answer, but think first before you decide to go stomping into that place.

Response by Capt Michael Halpin made Sep 13 at 2016 11:05 PM

2016-09-13T23:05:13-04:00

In WWIII Korea is just one of many battlefields. It will have to be given to proper priority based on the world situation.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Sep 14 at 2016 12:11 AM

2016-09-14T00:11:53-04:00

Sp4 Byron Skinner…NKorea is a rather complex issue that appears not to be understood by US Intelligence…First to Break Down the issues. None of the five alleged nuclear test by NKorea has been verified by any independent source. Og the "ICBM's" tested only one could maybe be called a success. The problem is the Nkoreas are using the same Russian Topol 1 that has ailed for the Russians and The Chinese in the DF 21 family of fictions missiles…Nkorea serves a strategic purpose for China because it serves as a buffer to South Korea which is allied with the US. The Chinese really don't want a SKorea on its border even though economic ties between SKorea and China have become very strong in recent decades. Finally Nkorea is a Chinese problem, let China deal with it. The US doesn't have to police every rogue state in the world. The countries historically have run their course and if not invaded will self destruct. NKorea deserves far less attention then it is getting.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2016 1:44 AM

2016-09-14T01:44:22-04:00

How about, we handle our own countries problems first smh.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Sep 14 at 2016 2:15 AM

2016-09-14T02:15:47-04:00

I think that South Korea is more than capable of resolving the issue on its own. They could move into North Korea - without US military support - and remove KJU from power. Not having US forces in North Korea would lessen the possibility that China would get involved. The problem really isn't in "defeating" North Korea's military - the larger problems are:
1. Stopping the nuclear weapons from being used and securing them from being distributed to other hostile actors.
2. Stopping the chemical weapons from being used and securing them from being distributed to other hostile actors.
3. Resourcing (food, water, medical) the millions of refugees and starving people in North Korea.

It would initially be a significant drain on South Korean resources, but I think over the course of the 50 years following the reunification of Korea, the North would be a global contributor rather than a drain. The problem is that no one is currently willing to support it for 50 years.

Response by COL David Turk made Sep 14 at 2016 5:59 AM

2016-09-14T05:59:56-04:00

If there was reunification, is the South ready for the financial impact on their country? When the wall came down in Germany, the West was drawn down by the economic demands shortfalls of the east, plus the lack of work ethic (compared to the west) in a significant number of workers.
In this case, the work ethic won't be a problem, but the economic conditions more dire, resulting in a greater drain on the South Korean economy.
Essentially, it's instant welfare demand for half the reunified country.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Sep 14 at 2016 7:04 AM

2016-09-14T07:04:25-04:00

I don't understand anyone who would say invade. Look how well that's worked out lately and wouldn't we have to deal with China?

Response by SGT Lloyd Burge made Sep 14 at 2016 10:28 AM

2016-09-14T10:28:26-04:00

I served along the Czech-German border before the fall of the Soviet Union. I didn't see it at the time, but I was watching the Eastern block fall apart. I also served 2 tours in the DMZ. North Korea is an empty shell. Keep up the sanctions and North Korea will fall on it's own.

Response by COL Dan Fuhr made Sep 14 at 2016 4:23 PM

2016-09-14T16:23:28-04:00

War is serious business, and almost always harder than it looks at the beginning. Before anyone advocates going to war in Korea, we should ask ourselves whether North Korea is a real threat to the US' survival (vital national interest). If the answer is yes, then we absolutely should kick their@ss. If not, then let's not get our sons and daughters killed just to get Kim Jung Un and his ilk out of the way. Barring a clear and present danger of the NKPA dropping nukes on us, I say the answer is no. But maybe giving them Rodman is a good compromise.

Response by MSG Don Burt made Sep 14 at 2016 6:55 PM

2016-09-14T18:55:05-04:00

Your third sentence fails to explain that your theory won't be done while this or any similar admin is in office and if we are fortunate not to have a similar admin come in, then things would tend to change prior to what you propose....back to your third sentence...what happens when China steps in? China doesn't like N. K. but they won't standby and do nothing...then your mediocre plan suddenly takes on a whole new face and a supposedly small incursion now turns into a massively, overpowering contest and the USA is no where near having the capability for a big war, PERIOD!

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Sep 15 at 2016 9:21 PM

2016-09-15T21:21:31-04:00

That sounds all well and good....but you know it will not be that each. There will be bloodshed and violence.

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Sep 16 at 2016 2:17 PM

2016-09-16T14:17:53-04:00

Set up a covert assassination of Kim, make it look like it was inside job. Then pray that whoever takes over realizes their country is a shithole and needs to rejoin the rest of the world.

Response by SGT John Andreas made Sep 18 at 2016 4:31 PM

2016-09-18T16:31:06-04:00

We need to nuke them. I spent 3 years in Nam as a gunner on a PBR and always said we need to watch out for North Korea. They are crazy and will use the bomb on Japan first. Then we are next.

Response by 1stSgt Nelson Kerr made Oct 2 at 2017 6:20 PM

2017-10-02T18:20:38-04:00

Ii must be hard to find justification for killing hundreds of thousands, or millions of our allies because you are panicked. And that is what you are advocating.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 2 at 2017 7:05 PM

2017-10-02T19:05:33-04:00

We are talking about a country that's obsessed with military might, is completely convinced everyone wants to kill them, and has been digging in and preparing for invasion for decades. That's probably not an anvil you want to swing your sword against if it can be avoided...

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Jun 20 at 2018 3:32 PM

2018-06-20T15:32:25-04:00

"North Korea,turns into modern.....nation"
Whoa there pardner. You have several generations worth of brainwashed and most illiterate peasants living under conditions which are brutal.
There is a giant third world problem here. Integrating these people into the rest of the world will be almost impossible... for at least 20 years. These are people who have been taught to worship each current incarnation of "Dear Leader" as a God. In other socialist shitholes those things were somewhat true yet the population ps while heavily controlled were not ABSOLUTELY cut off from the outside world. The vast majority of these uneducated masses.... who are not yearning to be free... have had absolutely no messages related to them by anything but the State for their entire lives.
North Korea is probably the most long term ABSOLUTE dictatorship in any stretch of history.
There are NO citizens there who can remember anything but the absolute rule of the state.
I have serious doubts about the ability for this to be pulled off in a fashion which anyone can even grasp at this point. The world has never dealt with such a thing.
Even the survivors of the Nazi extermination and slave camps had memories of a former life.
There have been science fiction stories which have dealt with the subject of people being released from absolute control. It will take generations to erase it.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 20 at 2018 3:56 PM

2018-06-20T15:56:03-04:00

Some Navy Seal said we should air drop I-phones into the country. They would rebel shortly there after.