With all of the facts available, why do people still believe Donald Trump is a successful businessman?

2016-05-07T15:22:50-04:00

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/

Fact-checking claims about Donald Trump's four bankruptcies

In an effort to take out frontrunner Donald Trump, Republican presidential candidates have pelted Trump with criticism over his multiple trips to federal bankruptcy court. That criticism was on full display in CNN’s Republican debate Sept. 16. Most notably, former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina criticized Trump’s history of bankruptcies in his businesses.

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made May 7 at 2016 3:26 PM

2016-05-07T15:26:30-04:00

SPC Rory J. Mattheisen roger that, great question. I think he was a good con man before he became Donald Trump!

Response by SPC Andrew Griffin made May 7 at 2016 3:46 PM

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Because the Country is going with FACTS over FEELINGS!

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made May 7 at 2016 3:54 PM

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30 Entrepreneurs Who Went Bankruppt

Some very familiar names, including a couple of past president's. Using this as a club is downright dumb. The only reason our entire country isn' t Bankrupt is we can print fiat currency and raise the credit card ceiling. How many of the general public lost money on Trump's bankruptcy? How many employees does he have now? Our debtors ARE predominantly the public.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 4:04 PM

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Oh? There are facts published in a political campaign?

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 7 at 2016 4:08 PM

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Perhaps because he has done very well. I think he is more able to take you out to dinner than you are to take him.

Response by SFC David Pratt made May 7 at 2016 4:15 PM

2016-05-07T16:15:37-04:00

There's about 10 billion reasons

Response by CPT Jack Durish made May 7 at 2016 6:26 PM

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Easy. He is a success. Every failure is counterbalanced by many successes. You must only listen to those who broadcast his failures while keeping mum about the successes.

Response by SFC Everett Oliver made May 7 at 2016 8:39 PM

2016-05-07T20:39:32-04:00

He stayed within the law, and filed for bankruptcy for different parts of his business empire. Over all he came out way ahead. I call that successful. Do you have another meaning?

Response by SSG(P) Ell Pizarek made May 7 at 2016 8:49 PM

2016-05-07T20:49:13-04:00

This election year is the craziest I have every seen. But to answer this, understand that our country is more divisive now then when Obama took office, There may be more racial tension, but the major discrimination is between republicans and democrats. The democrats put up a few poor selections, although I think Web may have been alright, and the republicans threw a couple dozen names in the hat, or close to it. At this point, the question is between Trump and Hillary, who do you think will better serve our nation. If you want to say that Hillary has not been convicted of any crimes yet, then you shouldn't be concerned about Trump. If you want to evaluate questionable actions of Trump, then you need to compare those up to the questionable actions of Hillary. Then side by side, list the prison term for each charge and see who would go to jail the longest. Filing bankruptcy say what you want, is not a criminal act, and is used all the time.

Response by PO1 John Miller made May 7 at 2016 9:46 PM

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Since he's worth $4 BILLION, I think that answers your question in the affirmative.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2016 8:32 AM

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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen I'm going to ask you the same question I asked over on the Hillary thread. How do you know? Were/are you there to verify all the "facts"? Or do you pick and choose from you favorite "news" sites/articles? For every negative article that's out there you can find the polar opposite elsewhere 1 for 1.

*Common sense isn't so common*......

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made May 8 at 2016 10:22 AM

2016-05-08T10:22:35-04:00

I'm no fan of either candidate.
Why do some consider Trump successful? I guess it depends on what criteria you are measuring from....if its dollars in the bank account, he is way more successful than I will probably ever become. if your metric is successful versus bankrupt businesses, then it is whatever those numbers are - I, myself, have no bankrupt businesses, but then again, I don't have any successful ones either.
Also consider, how are we defining a business as successful - many businessmen don't see bankruptcy as a failure, but as an option....a protection.
Also, Trump is a self promoter and a salesman of himself - imagine what his evaluation support form would look like!!

Response by CPL Ricky Vasquez made May 9 at 2016 12:35 AM

2016-05-09T00:35:07-04:00

Brain washed by Fox News...

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made May 9 at 2016 1:50 PM

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I don't know maybe because he has Billions of Dollars?

Response by CPT Russell Pitre made May 9 at 2016 2:06 PM

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Dave Ramsey even went bankrupt. Now he is a money adviser. It is common for businesses to do this. It happens. But now he is a millionaire again.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2016 6:56 PM

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Do you believe the most prolific inventor in the history of the world Thomas Edison was a failure?
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."

Ray Kroc failed and went bankrupt.

Steve Jobs was fired from the company he started then returned to raise it to be the most valuable company in the world.

I understand that he or his corporation filed for bankruptcy however, at this point for me to believe that he is not a success runs contrary to the paradigm.

Response by MSgt James Mullis made May 12 at 2016 2:42 PM

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You might as well claim that Warren Buffett, George Soros, and the Koch Brothers are business failures. Because they've all owned companies that have gone into bankruptcy court.

Anyone who tries to claim that Donald Trump is not a successful business man is either delusional or is using a definition of "successful" that it far outside the norm. The Donald owns or has owned "dozens" of individual companies; of which only four have gone bankrupt or been reorganized through bankruptcy court. He also has personal assets worth somewhere between 1 and 11 Billion Dollars. I tend to think that after the couple million...your successful.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made May 12 at 2016 3:52 PM

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You mean aside from the fact that he's still wealthy. He's also charismatic. Like him or hate him, he knows how to play to a crowd. It's like people say, the best salesmen are the ones who can sell ice to an Eskimo. Well that's what he's doing right now. He's giving the people exactly what they want even if he doesn't know what that exactly is.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2016 8:55 AM

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I once heard someone say that anyone can make a million dollars...all you have to do is three things: 1) Come up with an idea that works, 2) Be willing to take risks, and 3) Be willing to do anything to make it work. I laughed that off, so the guy gave me an example. He said, "Ok, try this...stand on a corner with a can that says, 'Hungry...$1'. How many people will pass you in say, a ten hour period? Hundreds...maybe thousands? Let's say if a thousand people pass by, and half put a dollar in your can...you just earned more in one day than most do all week. Yes-there's risks; someone might insult you, even assault you...then, there's the cops. Still, there's always someone willing to give the paltry sum of one dollar to feel 'good' about themselves. Finally, you've got to accept the fact that you're lying to them...you've got a home, a car, decent clothes, and can work a 9-5; but you've got to 'sell' the idea that you're broke, down to your last straw, and need help...no one's going to put a dollar into your can if you're wearing a suit."

The Donald knows all of this, and it's how he's got a tower with a big, gold "T" on it. I think he's using the same three things now: 1) He knows Americans are tired of "status quo" and limp little politicians with awkward catch-phrases. 2) He's willing to take insults, spend money, and take on the whole system to get what he wants. 3) There's no way even half of what's coming out of his mouth is his "real" platform...wait and see.

Response by SSG Jeremy Kohlwes made May 13 at 2016 9:59 PM

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Because some people don't pay attention to a silly things like facts....

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2016 10:31 PM

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how about going from 1 Million (which had to be paid back) to 4.5 Billion. He is obviously doing something right.

If he was not a successful businessman, he would still be trying to make the failed businesses work. There is nothing wrong with trying something, and then cutting your losses when it doesn't take. That's called risk. Every single businessman faces it.

If I gave you 1 million dollars, could you turn it into 4.5 Billion? If you think you can, what is your plan to do so? Good luck!

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made May 24 at 2016 10:43 PM

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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen Humm, successful? Would you care to live his life style? Could you appreciate having a huge aircraft at you disposal? Would you appreciate the positive female rebuttals to the N Y Times articles declaring he was a cad?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2016 10:47 PM

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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen, Because he has billions of dollars. Unless it's stolen I would say he's pretty successful.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made May 24 at 2016 10:48 PM

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Although the decision to file bankruptcy should not be taken lightly, it is nothing to be ashamed about. It can be the first step towards your future persoanl and financial success. Below is a list of some great and other famous Americans who found it necessary to file bankruptcy. All-in-all, not a bad group of people to be associated with:

Abraham Lincoln - 16th president of the Unites States- twice filed bankruptcy

Ulysses S. Grant - 18th president of the United States

Thomas Jefferson - founding father, author of the Declaration of Independence, 3rd president of the United States

William McKinley - 25th president of the United States

Dave Ramsey - self-professed “get out of debt” guru

Walt Disney - as in Mickey Mouse and Disneyland

Rembrandt Haremenszoon Van Rijn - Dutch painter

P.T. Barnum - filed for bankruptcy in 1871

Mark Twain - American author

Oscar Wilde - playwright

Henry John Heinz - condiment manufacturer famous for Heinz ketchup (my personal favorite)

Milton Hershey - founder of Hershey's chocolate

Henry Ford - automobile manufacturer

J.C. Penney - founder of the department store chain

Mickey Rooney - actor

Debbie Reynolds - movie actress and hotel/casino owner

Johnny Unitas - NFL Hall of Fame quarterback

Dorothy Hamill - figure skater, Olympian

Bjorn Borg - tennis star

Jerry Lee Lewis - rock and roll star

Burt Reynolds - shortly after his divorce from Loni Anderson

Sherman Hemsley - aka George Jefferson of “The Jefferson’s” sitcom

Gary Busey - actor

Nicholas Cage - actor

“Octomom” Nadya Suleman - famous procreator

Kim Basinger - actress, former wife of Alec Baldwin

MC Hammer - entertainer, musician, dancer (Hammer Time)

Willie Nelson - country music legend

Larry King - talk show host

Donald Trump - filed two separate Chapter 11 for his hotels/casinos

Mike Tyson - boxer, filed Chapter 11

Joe Lewis - boxer

Warren Sap - NFL football player

Terrell Owens - NFL football player

Leon Spinks - boxer

Stephen Baldwin - actor

Jose Conseco - MLB baseball player

Janice Dickinson, self proclaimed "first supermodel"

Vince Neil - lead singer of “Motley Crue”

Donna D'Errico, former Baywatch babe and ex-wife of Nikki Sixx of "Motley Crue"

George McGovern - former presidential candidate

John Conally - Texas governor who was injured while riding with President John F. Kennedy at the time of his assignation

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2016 10:50 PM

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449,900% increase from his initial loan sounds pretty successful to me. Or if you believe the new numbers of Trumps wealth being around 2Billion then it's only an increase of 199,900%, I guess I can understand why he's clearly a failure.

Tell you what, if I give you $10 and you turn it into $1,999,000 I will let you slide on your assertion that Donald Trump is not a successful businessman.

Let's say that it's because of other peoples work that he made the money, cause that point has been made. He still had to find the right people, allow himself to be taken out of leadership and trust these people to grow his bottom line. Which, is part of being a successful business owner. You understand and compensate for any weakness you have, and find someone who is good at it.

Then again, it depends on what you define as successful. If you don't go by bottom line and instead with some other definition that most people don't, then I have no idea what you are talking about.

Response by CPO Frank Coluccio made May 25 at 2016 12:50 AM

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Saying Trump is not a successful businessman is like saying;
Hell-ary is a trust-worthy, honest, and uncorruptable candidate,
The 0bama Admin is the most transparent in history,
Billy Clintoon is a faithful husband,
Bern-out is a Capitalist and an economic genius,
and
For the past 13 years Army has had a better football than Navy!!!

Response by Col Rebecca Lorraine made May 25 at 2016 8:18 AM

2016-05-25T08:18:32-04:00

Lying Donald? Loser Donald. I win at everything. I'm so smart I have a big brain. ....hard to undo what you say. Words have meanings.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2021 4:13 PM

2021-08-31T16:13:02-04:00

I think a man who is worth billions and has buildings that bear his name all over the world is successful. People who say he is a failure are clearly ignoring his accomplishments.