Will the National Guard really turn on citizens in Virginia because they are defending their 2A rights, or will they honor their oath?

SPC Paul Churchin — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 05:02:49 -0500

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Dec 30 at 2019 6:20 AM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 06:20:39 -0500

I don't think that the VA Guard will obey this unlawful order. They are not to be used as a police force within the borders of the US under normal circumstances (ie no national disaster situation)

Response by PO3 Phyllis Maynard made Dec 30 at 2019 6:51 AM

PO3 Phyllis Maynard — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 06:51:28 -0500

SPC Paul Churchin this sounds scary for both sides.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Dec 30 at 2019 9:50 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 09:50:21 -0500

1: the bonehead that suggested NG as an option has zero authority to make it so
2: the govener has made no such threats
3: If they are stood up for policing actions and a duly enacted law is on the books ordering the police (and NG) tI enforce the law is not an unlawful order.
Later constitutional challenges that might overturn the law is a sepreapret issue

And yes of course Virginia leaders should delay all policing actions until the challenges have taken place and adjutcated

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2019 10:22 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 10:22:49 -0500

You're reading the headlines and not the story. Some idiot congressman suggested the Governor "should" activate the NG to enforce state law. The Governor himself said he absolutely would not do that and immediately dismissed the suggestion.

This is like one kid running up to their parents and saying, "Johnny said he's not going to do his chores - you should beat him". And the parents saying, "Get out of here, we're the parents, we'll decide how to handle this".

Response by SGT Steve McFarland made Dec 30 at 2019 10:50 AM

SGT Steve McFarland — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 10:50:10 -0500

If they know what's good for them, they will shed their uniform and walk-away if they get an order to turn on their fellow-citizens.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2019 11:15 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:15:47 -0500

It doesn’t seem like this is happening. But let’s say it does. Seems dangerous to me to advocate for soldiers to disobey orders that they don’t like. Sets a very bad precedent. If the order is lawful, then soldiers don’t get to decide that they don’t want to follow it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2019 11:46 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 11:46:51 -0500

Well since no one with any legal authority to attempt such an order has even suggested it’s a possibility...

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Dec 30 at 2019 1:42 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 13:42:15 -0500

My idea of gun control is keeping a tight shot group and if I were a Guardsman I'd resign if asked to confiscate guns because I believe it's unconstitutional (but that's me and I'm not advocating mass defection). The SCOTUS has already ruled that individuals have the rite to have guns in a challenge to one of the overly restrictive gun laws. That's one point. The other is it would render the militia as defined by US code null. The code basically defines the militia as having a formal component (the National Guard) and an informal component being all men 17 to 45, and all women enlisted in the national guard. If you confiscate the guns you can't fulfill the roll of the militia.
So, this keeps circulating...
-I have not been able to find any clips where the Gov actually says he intends to call out the Guard to confiscate guns. So it's probably a fake news article. He has made rumblings that folks better comply and enforce the laws on the books but I again couldn't find anything where he threatened to sick the Guard on folks. If anyone has a clip of him being such a dumb ass please post it.
- The other silly option credited to the Governor that has been circulating on Facebook is that he intends to call in UN troops. Again this is even less credible then calling out the Guard. A Governor doesn't have the authority to call upon foreign troops to assist in state enforcement of laws. That would be a Federal matter and what nation would be foolish enough to send troops into the US under any flag for the confiscation of anything. Again if anyone has a clip where he actually makes this silly assertion please post it.
- Before the law or action can be challenged, the entity has to actually make an attempt to enforce the law, policy or standard. Then the effected person can challenge the action through the court system.
- Gun buy backs are a mis- nomer devised to make confiscation sound nice. The buy back prices are not based on fair market value so folks rarely get paid what their guns are worth. Also when was the last time anyone bought a gun from the state or federal government? So it's not really buying a darn thing back since it didn't sell it to us. Only instance I can think of is they were advertising in the American rifleman where you could buy surplus M1 rifles for sporting competition but didn't pay much attention. Even then those were listed at a higher price then any buy back program I've seen paid out.
So... no warrant, no gun , no entry.

Response by CW5 Jack Cardwell made Dec 30 at 2019 4:35 PM

CW5 Jack Cardwell — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:35:56 -0500

1. If the Governor called the guard up. It would be in a State Active Duty ( SAD) status.

2. The state has to reimburse the Federal Government for use of equipment.

I wonder how they would operate if denied us of equipment by the Federal Government...

Response by SN Greg Wright made Dec 30 at 2019 10:45 PM

SN Greg Wright — Mon, 30 Dec 2019 22:45:47 -0500

Aside from the very good points SGM Erik Marquez makes, this will never happen. WHat's going to happen is that they're going to pass the law, and nearly every LEO in the state is going to ignore it, and everyone keeps their guns. Why?

100 State gubberment yahoos and, say, some 1000 LEO's: "Turn in teh gunz!!"
4 million Virginians: "No."

End of the story, right there. Move along, folks. CW2 isn't happening.