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The attached is an honest discussion between muslim women about covering the face and or head or not wearing a cover at all. We don't have to agree with it but we can make an effort to learn, an effort to understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwcVU3RiwbU
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I respect all religions. However, it is hard to trust someone when the only thing you see is their eyes. As the article I attached says, "Over evolutionary time, the ability to quickly extract information from faces has given us an edge in predicting character and behavior. It helps us to discern who's sick and whom to trust, who's flirtworthy, and who might blow up at a moment's notice. To get a sense of others' religiosity, sexual orientation, promiscuity, aggressiveness, competence, intelligence, and even trustworthiness, you might think that you should focus on how they act, not how they look. But then you'd neglect your swiftest insights." https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201211/whats-in-face.

My personal point is the it is hard to judge a face by its cover, especially if you don't see the face behind the cover. How do I trust someone when I only see eyes? I will not. Interpersonal skills are not developed behind covers; it's face to face time. I respect if you do not want to show your face in public; however, you also have to deal with how the public perceives your choices.
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2LT R.A, I do refer to me, specifically on my comment. When I comment "in general and in public," I am referring to a public and general location, not everyone's general or public opinion.
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2LT R. A. When I see posts like that I avoid them and the confrontation. We are supposed to be professionals at all times. My policy on this site is, if someone says something I don't agree with a move on and forget about it. That is just how I handle those type of situations. I don't like to add fuel to a fire, if you know what I mean. Everyone here is entitled to an opinion and they should never attack anyone for any reason. If SSG Carlos Madden finds any comments or posts that are attacking someone he will make that call. This is just my opinion on the matter!
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2LT R. A. - Please stop. There is nothing here that is offensive, it is only a difference of opinion. As long as the opinion is not offensive through it presentation; cursing, improper tone, ... it stays. This is how we learn.
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SSG James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" - Thank you...
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It is actually a Christian tradition before the Muslims incorporated it into their faith, since their faith started in the 500-600s. You can still see Christian women using the veil to hide their hair at church although they are not total facial veils. Muslims took the facial veil to prevent women from tempting men into infidelity. Christian example of this are shown in Mary in most of her pictures.
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Did you watch the video?
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just watched it I think that it is a personal choice not a requirement. Big difference between someone wearing on in the US and one wearing in the Middle East.
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I could've not said it any better. Islam hijacked many ideological and methodologies from Christianity and it is those that they took and modified to reflect their own interpretations and hence why there are so many troubles with some of those who take this to an extreme level of interpretation. Sad but true
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Have to bite my tongue on that question.
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Why muslim women cover their face with a veil, nib, face veil, hijab,or head cover.
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Going to throw this out there. I thought this was a very good video explaining why they are doing what they chose. At no point did they talk bad about another religion or how theirs was better. I respect these women for their views, even though I have my own personal opinions based off personal experiences with the Burqua and Niqab. But somewhere, somehow this will be perverted into a whole different discussion. To the ladies in the video, I wish you well in life. You seem intelligent and have a desire to stop the stereotypes we think when we see your religious dress.
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2LT R. A. - Yes I did it purposely
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2LT R. A. - You amaze me because you fail to recognize that not only myself but a Col has tried to give you direction and you fail to recognize we are looking out for your best interest. Please take this to heart and think about it.
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SSG Warren Swan
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2LT R. A. - Being I wasn't privy to the who talk, I cannot agree nor disagree with you. For the folks who's names I see thus far, I would call them my friends specially COL Mikel Burroughs. My recommendation to all, would be to stop right now, have an open dialogue privately somehow and come to some common ground with mutually agreed upon rules of behavior. That's the most honest answer I can give you, and not take sides being I respect all of you. We need to be able to talk to each other no mater how uncomfortable it may be.
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SSG Warren Swan
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2LT R. A. - agreed. I've had my shot group tightened too on here by the Admins, but they were right in what they were doing, and how I was handling myself was in question. That's why i usually re-read my posts when they're commented on or even liked. What did I say vs. what did I type, or meant to say? Did I convey my message correctly? But that's just me. I have a habit of screwing one, two, or all three on a regular basis
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I will get to my opinion in a second so just follow me for a bit here. The Catholic Church has changed and evolved. They used to say mass in Latin and now its English. They used to abstain from meat on Fridays during Lent and the church has allowed this for Catholics over age 60. Most of what we believe, in the Catholic faith was written during the Dark Ages when the age of enlightenment was just a concept as yet undiscovered. People like Martin Luther were breaking away from the faith because they didn't like the rules that "Man" had set forth for their faith. This was at a time when women were subservient to the men in society and their importance was even written out of the bible. The woman who brings life into the world was lowered in stature to that of a servant. So having said all this I believe that new immigrants to our country should assimilate to our U.S. culture. You don't see German's walking around in Lederhoesen or for that matter Norwegians speaking Norsk daily in public or at the lumberyard. They celebrate their heritage in their homes or during special days of the year. They modified their actions and behavior to coincide with the culture they were integrating into. I think a Muslim women reporting to the DMV will need to lower her face veil so a positive ID can be made. This applies at a polling site too. How can you make any judgement about a persons intent or honesty if you can't see their face. That female you are standing in front of could be a guy ready to do you harm. This was evident in a few market bombings in the Middle East from eye witnesses.
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Interesting video. The dress is strange by western standards. Actually I think that westerners are more accepting of their standards than many of them are of ours. There is a clash in cultures.
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Why? Duh! Cuz they're told to and will be beaten to within an inch of their life if they don't. THATS WHY...
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PO3 Donald Murphy - It's just meant to be informative the same as you are doing.
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CPT (Join to see) - True. But information should be truthful. Else, its deception...
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
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Apparently it is used as a religious fashion statement depending upon the wearer's level of devotion to either what they think God has directed them to do, or as a matter of convenience.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11120588/Muslim-women-reveal-why-they-wear-the-veil-burqa-school-debate.html
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SGT Francis Wright
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Because of their religious beliefs. But that should not be used to hide ones identity. That's what the radicals are doing, if they can't be identified; then they can't be held accountable.
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SGT Francis Wright
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All very good points, but this is not an Islamic Country govern by Sharia Law. So just like anyone else in any other country one must assimilate to the host nation. Just like a western women must cover their heads in an Islamic Nation. But since Sharia Law is Unconstitutional, we as a Nation have no obligation to allow anyone to hide their identity from the public eye.
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SGT Francis Wright
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Good point, all points of of Sharia Law Enforcement, do not go along with our Constitution. But no I don't have a law degree. So I guess I probably don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just a Patriot that believes in Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.
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SGT Francis Wright
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Lieutenant, I don't feel bad. I wasn't at the function in San Bernardino. For if I was; I could quite possibly be real upset. My advice, just be ready.
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SGT Francis Wright
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Really? San Bernardino could happen again. Don't be one of the 14 that were executed.
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What about the Jib Jab? Oh, that is an app. Why is this on RP again?
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