Why is it that we aren't allowed to protect ourselves?

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:52:26 -0400

MAJ Trey Guy posted this a few months ago, will the blood of our fallen be enough to elevate the thinking of the decision makers?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2015 7:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:53:13 -0400

https://www.change.org/p/barack-obama-arm-all-military-facilities-including-recruiting-offices

Barack Obama: Arm all Military Facilities including Recruiting Offices.

Too many times our Men and Women in the Armed Forces have been attacked on US soil unarmed because of the laws that cripple their ability to fight back. Give our men and women a fighting chance while on US soil. They are the best the world has to offer, highly trained and highly capable yet we leave them as victims to our enemies at home. We know our Military is being targeted, lets do the right thing and give them the tools they need to...

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Jul 16 at 2015 7:54 PM

Capt Richard I P. — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 19:54:09 -0400

Maybe we should arm the Armed Forces.
http://www.rallypoint.com/answers/arm-the-armed-forces

Arm the Armed Forces! | RallyPoint

The outcome of the discussion "Concealed carry for CAC holders?" by [~222148:SGT Bernard Boyer III]. Below follows my skeleton letter to congress, based on the edits RP members have suggested to the 10 points. Anyone and everyone is welcome to edit and personalize the letter for their own use in writing to their congressional representatives. We sent a mass email on 3 January, the swearing in of the new congress, now it's a free for all. You...

Response by Capt Lance Gallardo made Jul 16 at 2015 8:18 PM

Capt Lance Gallardo — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 20:18:25 -0400

You have to change the mindset of the Flag Officers (and their Civilian "Masters" in the Pentagon), in the US Military who tend to think that Junior Officers (Capts and Lts, as well as Junior NCOs -I would say Staff Sgt (E-6) to Corporal (E-4) and below cannot be trusted to routinely walk around Base/Post (or the civilian world) with loaded personal and military issued sidearms. It has always boggled my mind how we can repose so much "special trust and confidence" with this level of authority in the US Military, and yet not trust them to be able to safely carry, and wisely deploy if necessary (with their training in the legal, moral, and technical use of firearms), a loaded firearm. So you eat, live, sleep and almost shower, with your weapon when you are deployed, but the moment you get back to CONUS, you are expected to rely on the few armed MPs and Civilian Police Officers on Base/Post for your personal security with little means to defend yourself against a firearm equipped assailant. WTF? This kind of dumb shit policy could only be the result of a failure to trust your troops at home in the same way you trusted them to accomplish their missions while deployed. I also like the idea that you are a Warrior 24/7 at home or abroad and on post and you should be expected to be prepared at all times to defend yourself and your troops, wherever you are and whenever the threat presents itself. Isn't it ironic that the biggest "gunfree zones" in the US are not University and College campuses, but our military posts and military reservations? This is the result of having hostile to the 2nd Amendment policy makers infesting the Pentagon and the White House. I choose that term "infestation" with all due deliberation and intention.

Response by CW4 Kelvin Holt made Jul 16 at 2015 9:10 PM

CW4 Kelvin Holt — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 21:10:11 -0400

Let's make GI concealed carry on military installations a 2016 presidential election campaign item!

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jul 16 at 2015 11:51 PM

COL Charles Williams — Thu, 16 Jul 2015 23:51:20 -0400

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member Because we are too PC, and moreover because we are good natured, and we want to believe the narrative that these are isolated incidents. They are not. We are at war and the US Military and US in general are the targets.... Not just around the world, but at home. We need to wake the hell up.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jul 17 at 2015 12:25 AM

Capt Jeff S. — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 00:25:24 -0400

Because the politicians don't trust armed military folks... Maybe if they did their jobs like they were supposed to and actually followed the Constitution, they wouldn't be so distrustful of the military!!! ; )

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jul 17 at 2015 3:25 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 03:25:00 -0400

It would have helped at Ft. Hood.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2015 6:23 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 06:23:52 -0400

Tried by twelve or carried by six is my philosophy. When I was recruiting I was armed.

Response by Capt Lance Gallardo made Jul 17 at 2015 11:08 AM

Capt Lance Gallardo — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:08:23 -0400

Pres.Obama could actually do some good with those executive orders he likes to issue!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/17/lt-col-allen-west-obama-should-issue-executive-order-end-gun-free-zones-military-sites

Lt. Col. West to Obama: End Gun-Free Zones at Military Sites

Lt. Col. Allen West today called for an executive order to end gun-free zones at military facilities in the United States.

Response by Capt Lance Gallardo made Jul 17 at 2015 11:12 AM

Capt Lance Gallardo — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:12:22 -0400

Pres. Obama still can't bring himself to blame Violent Islamic Fundamentalists for what happened in Chattanooga TN. He is in willful self-delusion about being in a war with Violent Muslim Extremists that are hitting us here at home while we fight it abroad (mostly with drone strikes).
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/16/charles-krauthammer-tn-shootings-example-radical-islam-work

Krauthammer on Obama's 'Lone Gunman' Comment: 'He Won't Say Radical Islam'

On "Special Report" tonight, Charles Krauthammer discussed the tragic shootings in Chattanooga, Tennessee.  

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2015 11:13 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:13:21 -0400

Funny so in answer the house proposes a bill to allow Conceal Carry on military post. Neither of these sites are on post, easy fix since these are strip malls put a layer of Lexan behind all of the installed glass today at all recruiting post and any other off base offices that someone can just pull up in front of and do a drive by. These office violate DOD physical security standards and the service branches have known about this for years. Problem is some contracting agency will take years to develop the requirement and contract documents then some contractor is going to want a sick amount of money when all you need is the precut Lexan and some duct tape.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2015 12:03 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jul 2015 12:03:01 -0400

Then ther is this....
accesswdun.com/article/2015/7/323769/police-say-no-cause-for-alarm-in-accidental-self-inflicted-shooting-at-gainesville-recruiting-center